Ukip. All discussion here please.

[Ellco]

No,you conveniently missed out the point about the economy booming............how can that be a problem?..................oh,hang on,it's you isn't it...............a booming economy due to more people buying more stuff could only be a problem in your head.

 

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Which of course,you have no answer too.

 

It's wrong to lie to win an argument, but even worse to lie to oneself to avoid the truth.

[chalga]

It's wrong to lie to win an argument, but even worse to lie to oneself to avoid the truth.

 

It all sounds very nice,but it means absolutely nothing to me,have another go.

[anfisa]

No,you conveniently missed out the point about the economy booming............how can that be a problem?..................oh,hang on,it's you isn't it...............a booming economy due to more people buying more stuff could only be a problem in your head.

 

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Which of course,you have no answer too.

 

Its a problem because the booming economy is not making the vast majority of the population better off, but it does consume more of the worlds resources, increase poverty around the world and drive global warming, which in turn causes more extreme weather conditions, causing crops to fail and the extinction of many species.

Edited December 29, 2014 by anfisa

[chalga]

Its a problem because the booming economy is not making the vast majority of the population better off, but it does consume more of the worlds resources, increase poverty around the world and drive global warming, which caused more extreme weather condition, causing crops to fail and the extinction of many species.

 

Er,OK............................I'm just going outside................I may be a long time.

[anfisa]

Er,OK............................I'm just going outside................I may be a long time.

 

That is not a bad thing, go and give it some thought, it is basic math. More people consuming more stuff means the world runs out of stuff sooner rather than later, more rich people and yes by rich I mean people living in the UK and other counties like the UK, means more poverty in the less developed countries, more people starving and more people striving to get here, the domino affect will accelerate global warming and accelerate species extinction ultimately resulting in a human population crash, if not our extinction.

[chalga]

That is not a bad thing, go and give it some thought, it is basic math. More people consuming more stuff means the world runs out of stuff sooner rather than later, more rich people and yes by rich I mean people living in the UK and other counties like the UK, means more poverty in the less developed countries, more people starving and more people striving to get here, the domino affect will accelerate global warming and accelerate species extinction ultimately resulting in a human population crash, if not our extinction.

 

White Van Man is going to have a lot of explaining to do at the pearly gates.

 

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/30/no-surge-romanian-bulgarian-migrants-controls-lifted

 

 

Confirmed:Farages 1/1/2014 TIDAL WAVE never happened.

 

 

The Oxford University-based Migration Observatory said the growth in the Romanian and Bulgarian populations of the UK had remained at the same steady pace for the last seven years.The lack of a surge in migrants from the two EU countries after seven years of transitional controls were lifted on 1 January 2014 confounds predictions by Ukip’s Nigel Farage and others that 5,000 Romanians and Bulgarians would arrive “each week, every week” for several years.When the transitional controls were lifted at the beginning of 2014, ministers refused to release any estimates of how many Romanians and Bulgarians might come to Britain. This triggered a lot of speculation about the likely numbers, with the highest predictions coming from Ukip candidates and rightwing Conservative MPs.

Edited December 30, 2014 by chalga

[anfisa]

White Van Man is going to have a lot of explaining to do at the pearly gates.

 

---------- Post added 30-12-2014 at 08:25 ----------

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/30/no-surge-romanian-bulgarian-migrants-controls-lifted

 

 

Confirmed:Farages 1/1/2014 TIDAL WAVE never happened.

 

 

The Oxford University-based Migration Observatory said the growth in the Romanian and Bulgarian populations of the UK had remained at the same steady pace for the last seven years.The lack of a surge in migrants from the two EU countries after seven years of transitional controls were lifted on 1 January 2014 confounds predictions by Ukip’s Nigel Farage and others that 5,000 Romanians and Bulgarians would arrive “each week, every week” for several years.When the transitional controls were lifted at the beginning of 2014, ministers refused to release any estimates of how many Romanians and Bulgarians might come to Britain. This triggered a lot of speculation about the likely numbers, with the highest predictions coming from Ukip candidates and rightwing Conservative MPs.

 

When was that prediction made, I have never seen it but presumably if it was made it would have been made before this government rushed new measures through parliament to slow the flow of immigration into the UK.

 

It also does not change the indisputable fact that immigration is the primary cause of the UK's unsustainable population growth.

Edited December 30, 2014 by anfisa

[retep]

White Van Man is going to have a lot of explaining to do at the pearly gates.

 

---------- Post added 30-12-2014 at 08:25 ----------

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/30/no-surge-romanian-bulgarian-migrants-controls-lifted

 

 

Confirmed:Farages 1/1/2014 TIDAL WAVE never happened.

 

 

The Oxford University-based Migration Observatory said the growth in the Romanian and Bulgarian populations of the UK had remained at the same steady pace for the last seven years.The lack of a surge in migrants from the two EU countries after seven years of transitional controls were lifted on 1 January 2014 confounds predictions by Ukip’s Nigel Farage and others that 5,000 Romanians and Bulgarians would arrive “each week, every week” for several years.When the transitional controls were lifted at the beginning of 2014, ministers refused to release any estimates of how many Romanians and Bulgarians might come to Britain. This triggered a lot of speculation about the likely numbers, with the highest predictions coming from Ukip candidates and rightwing Conservative MPs.

 

Really,

 

"47,000 Bulgarians and Romanians enter UK in a year: Number who now live here has increased fivefold in last eight years

More than a quarter of a million Romanian and Bulgarians now in Britain

That number has risen by almost 50,000 over the past 12 months

Romanians and Bulgarians in Britain could fill a city size of Wolverhampton

46,000 working-age migrants from the two countries do not have jobs"

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2890660/47-000-Bulgarians-Romanians-enter-UK-year-Number-live-increased-fivefold-eight-years.html#ixzz3NNGPG8D1

[chalga]

Really,

 

"47,000 Bulgarians and Romanians enter UK in a year: Number who now live here has increased fivefold in last eight years

More than a quarter of a million Romanian and Bulgarians now in Britain

That number has risen by almost 50,000 over the past 12 months

Romanians and Bulgarians in Britain could fill a city size of Wolverhampton

46,000 working-age migrants from the two countries do not have jobs"

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2890660/47-000-Bulgarians-Romanians-enter-UK-year-Number-live-increased-fivefold-eight-years.html#ixzz3NNGPG8D1

 

That's right,5 fold in 8 years,that is not the TIDAL WAVE that Farage and the right wing Tory press and activists were predicting..............a TIDAL WAVE would have put a huge spike in the figures at that time 1/1/2014,the figures released show that far from a TIDAL WAVE,the figures were normal for people from the 2 countries entering the UK. when compared to past years,proof that Farage was FEARMONGERING.

Further to that,the Daily Mail story is the usual stigmatisation,demonisation story that the Right Wing press and activists like to portray,as though there is something wrong with these migrants coming to the UK,when under EU laws,there is nothing wrong with it at all.Right wing media and activists are only willing to show one side of immigration..............the negative side,as though there is no other side,that is how the stigmatisation and demonisation of these people begins..............we saw it before in the 1930'ies with the Nazis demonising Jews,what the right wing media and activists are doing is right out of that book,it's a witch hunt,dog whistle politics which Farage himself employs,but now the figures show exactly what kind of FEARMONGERING he employed,the same kind as 26MILLION are after your jobs.

[retep]

That's right,5 fold in 8 years,that is not the TIDAL WAVE that Farage and the right wing Tory press and activists were predicting..............a TIDAL WAVE would have put a huge spike in the figures at that time 1/1/2014,the figures released show that far from a TIDAL WAVE,the figures were normal for people from the 2 countries entering the UK. when compared to past years,proof that Farage was FEARMONGERING.

Further to that,the Daily Mail story is the usual stigmatisation,demonisation story that the Right Wing press and activists like to portray,as though there is something wrong with these migrants coming to the UK,when under EU laws,there is nothing wrong with it at all.Right wing media and activists are only willing to show one side of immigration..............the negative side,as though there is no other side,that is how the stigmatisation and demonisation of these people begins..............we saw it before in the 1930'ies with the Nazis demonising Jews,what the right wing media and activists are doing is right out of that book,it's a witch hunt,dog whistle politics which Farage himself employs,but now the figures show exactly what kind of FEARMONGERING he employed,the same kind as 26MILLION are after your jobs.

 

Desperation setting in is it?