Ukip. All discussion here please.

[MikeFrank]

A number of things are obvious after the result.

1. Socialism is dead

2. The voting system is wrong

3. The UK is about to break up

4. There will be Poll Tax type riots at some point.

5. Politics, all over Europe, is lurching to the right

6. We will exit the EU

7.Only the Tories can be trusted on the big issues.

[The Joker]

Thanet DC first district council to be taken by UKIP.

Labour and Tories routed!

 

Let's hope they do a better job than Doncaster. And Rotherham. And Sheffield.

[MikeFrank]

There's rumours gathering that the Farage Thanet vote was fixed after UKIP won the council one.. Don't shoot the messenger

[LeMaquis]

There's rumours gathering that the Farage Thanet vote was fixed after UKIP won the council one.. Don't shoot the messenger

 

You're such an expert on Thanet South after your last post about Farage there;

 

He's 9% ahead in a poll today. He'll win.

[altus]

There's rumours gathering that the Farage Thanet vote was fixed after UKIP won the council one.. Don't shoot the messenger

 

That's odd. They didn't count the local election results in Thanet until today - the day after they announced Farage had failed to win a seat in the general election. local paper link, Beeb link.

[LeMaquis]

That's odd.

 

Not really. Over 20 councils waited till Saturday. This was reported on Wednesday thus;

 

"Results are not expected until Saturday from Arun, Erewash, Daventry, East Dorset, Eastbourne, Mid Devon, Lewes, Mid Sussex, North Dorset, Rother, Thanet, Warwick, Wealden and West Dorset."

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-local-results-may-be-delayed-10230452.html

[altus]

Not really. Over 20 councils waited till Saturday. This was reported on Wednesday thus;

 

"Results are not expected until Saturday from Arun, Erewash, Daventry, East Dorset, Eastbourne, Mid Devon, Lewes, Mid Sussex, North Dorset, Rother, Thanet, Warwick, Wealden and West Dorset."

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-local-results-may-be-delayed-10230452.html

The odd bit was claiming that the Farage result was fixed because of council results that would not be known until the day after his result was announced.

[MikeFrank]

You're such an expert on Thanet South after your last post about Farage there;

 

You can hardly blame me for the polls being so wrong.

[Guest]

Wrong. They did surprisingly well in terms of winning people's votes.

 

True but it needs to be less spread and more concentrated.

 

the fact this didn't translate to many seats in parliament is a shortcoming of the electoral system not a reflection on their performance.

 

No, its a reflection that they couldn't convince enough people in a particular locality/constituency to see things their way and vote for them.

 

UKIP won three times as many votes as SNP. For this The SNP got 56 seats in parliament. UKIP got 1.

 

Numbers are virtually irrelevant, its percentage of the vote that matters. Scotland is a smaller country than England so UKIP had a larger pool of people to get votes from.

 

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2. The voting system is wrong

 

The voting system is not wrong. Everywhere the Tories the Libdems and Labour stood and won seats, UKIP, the Greens, the BNP etc were perfectly free to do the same, the fact that they do less well than the three main parties is just tough. Must try harder.

 

What would be wrong for me is an MP getting in to parliament having had a lot of votes, say, 25,000 but those votes being thinly spread all over the country, 100 in Sheffield, 600 in Manchester, 1000 in Newcastle etc etc. What/where could that MP say his constituency is?

Edited May 10, 2015 by Guest

[MikeFrank]

 

The voting system is not wrong. Everywhere the Tories the Libdems and Labour stood and won seats, UKIP, the Greens, the BNP etc were perfectly free to do the same, the fact that they do less well than the three main parties is just tough. Must try harder.

 

What would be wrong for me is an MP getting in to parliament having had a lot of votes, say, 25,000 but those votes being thinly spread all over the country, 100 in Sheffield, 600 in Manchester, 1000 in Newcastle etc etc. What/where could that MP say his constituency is?

 

Is that how it works? I'm not sure. Isn't it that a party would put, say, 4 MP's up for an area like Sheffield in order of party preference. Then the percentage of votes in the Sheffield area determines how many MP's they get. So if they win enough votes they may get to propose 3 MP's. I think that's how it worked in the EU referendum.