LeMaquis Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 You can hardly blame me for the polls being so wrong. I can blame you for posting on here triumphantly that Farage was going to win. There were other polls that showed Farage wasn't going to win but you wanted to be all clever and pro-UKIP. And it blew up in your face when Farage lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFrank Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I can blame you for posting on here triumphantly that Farage was going to win. There were other polls that showed Farage wasn't going to win but you wanted to be all clever and pro-UKIP. And it blew up in your face when Farage lost. I wasn't triumphal at all. I followed what the pollsters were saying. Its a bit ironic that you are critical of me for believing the polls but at the same time quote them. You didn't know which polls were true, either, you just picked one that suited your political point of view and got lucky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil-minx92 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 True but it needs to be less spread and more concentrated. No, its a reflection that they couldn't convince enough people in a particular locality/constituency to see things their way and vote for them. Numbers are virtually irrelevant, its percentage of the vote that matters. Scotland is a smaller country than England so UKIP had a larger pool of people to get votes from. ---------- Post added 10-05-2015 at 07:34 ---------- The voting system is not wrong. Everywhere the Tories the Libdems and Labour stood and won seats, UKIP, the Greens, the BNP etc were perfectly free to do the same, the fact that they do less well than the three main parties is just tough. Must try harder. What would be wrong for me is an MP getting in to parliament having had a lot of votes, say, 25,000 but those votes being thinly spread all over the country, 100 in Sheffield, 600 in Manchester, 1000 in Newcastle etc etc. What/where could that MP say his constituency is? The system is clearly not working properly if a few million votes are as good as useless. The man made constituency boundaries serve to distort the real sentiment of the people. We could re-draw the boundaries to ring fence a majority of any party. They also serve to create a scenario of tactical voting where many voters feel obliged to vote with their heads rather than uselessly vote with their hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The system is clearly not working properly if a few million votes are as good as useless. The man made constituency boundaries serve to distort the real sentiment of the people. We could re-draw the boundaries to ring fence a majority of any party. They also serve to create a scenario of tactical voting where many voters feel obliged to vote with their heads rather than uselessly vote with their hearts Change the goalposts you mean so that UKIP stand a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) The system is clearly not working properly if a few million votes are as good as useless. The man made constituency boundaries serve to distort the real sentiment of the people. We could re-draw the boundaries to ring fence a majority of any party. They also serve to create a scenario of tactical voting where many voters feel obliged to vote with their heads rather than uselessly vote with their hearts Who do you expect to draw up constituency boundaries - your favourite deity / pet goldfish / marvin the paranoid android? Edited May 11, 2015 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Who do you expect to draw up constituency boundaries - your favourite deity / pet goldfish / marvin the paranoid android? Wasn't he Marvin the Martian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The man made constituency boundaries serve to distort the real sentiment of the people. It's the electoral system, first past the post, that distorts the result, not the constituency boundaries. A lot of constituencies did change politics. See the results in Scotland for that. It was one of the greatest changes in British political history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 So it was only a bad dream. "Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32696505 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I think that it's frankly just not credible for Farage to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 So it was only a bad dream. "Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32696505 You've got to admit, he's a terrific orator and politics would be far duller without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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