Mecky Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 It is worrying, something you'd expect in a dictatorship, not Britain. The rest of the media are equally outraged. Here are some alternative links... http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10876499/Secret-terror-trial-is-assault-on-British-justice.html http://news.sky.com/story/1276135/outrage-over-plan-to-hold-secret-terror-trial Britain is moving towards a dictatorship if you hadn't noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Doesn't this sort of secret trial make us no different from those Communist and right wing dictator regimes? Wasn't the last world war, all about preventing such actions and preserving our rights and freedoms? No, it was about stopping expansionism which may have lead to and in some cases, did lead to those things you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Britain is moving towards a dictatorship if you hadn't noticed Yup, if some get there way it'll be known as the United Federation of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yup, if some get there way it'll be known as the United Federation of Europe. Not sure about that but I do remember an advertisement been circulated at work for what only could be described as the "Secret Police." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 First: Can we please separate this from the government, it is a court order, not something that was decided on by a minister or parliament. Second: The secret services in this country need hitting over the head and be forced to operate in public except for specific situations. There is no need to monitor everybody *GCHQ*, there is no need for secrecy when it comes to policing *MI5* and espionage can be fought above water as well as below water, so let's keep it above water - that way other countries at least know we are not spying on them (which we are) *MI6*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuttsie Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yup, if some get there way it'll be known as the United Federation of Europe. The new champion of the poor and unemployed Prince Charles will save the day along with Lady De Rothschild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 already been a thread about this erebus, please keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 First: Can we please separate this from the government, it is a court order, not something that was decided on by a minister or parliament. Second: The secret services in this country need hitting over the head and be forced to operate in public except for specific situations. There is no need to monitor everybody *GCHQ*, there is no need for secrecy when it comes to policing *MI5* and espionage can be fought above water as well as below water, so let's keep it above water - that way other countries at least know we are not spying on them (which we are) *MI6*. you an expert in the secret services like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollwithit Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I try to avoid agreeing with the Daily Mail, but I think their outrage here is justified: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648832/First-trial-held-secret-Closed-terror-case-branded-outrageous-assault-open-justice-thanks-free-Press-know-happening.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 In summary it would appear that a terrorism trial is going to be held completely in secret, with no members of the public or press allowed. I always thought it was a principle of law that justice was not only done, but seen to be done. I understand that some parts of the evidence may be sensitive, and it may be necessary to exclude the public from certain sessions, but to exclude them from the whole trial seems extreme and worrying. Were it not for the press fighting, we would not even know this was taking place. It's not fair when celebs like Rolf Harris are named and shamed after being charged, then trial by the British Press before they are even found guilty of anything. Nothing like producing someone's defence is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 you an expert in the secret services like? No, but I do know what my political views are and supporting an enormous undercover body that is not accountable to the public is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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