Daven Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Since many of those suffering with Type 2 diabetes do so due to obesity and considering that it is mainly avoidable and reversible - should those who are overweight have more support and encouragement to improve their diet and take more exercise and be refused NHS care until they do so ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27712381 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernStar Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Since many of those suffering with Type 2 diabetes do so due to obesity and considering that it is mainly avoidable and reversible - should those who are overweight have more support and encouragement to improve their diet and take more exercise and be refused NHS care until they do so ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27712381 No-one should be refused NHS treatment IMO, encouragement is a good idea as well as tackling the problem of food manufactures and allied industries who push unhealthy foods (especially those that target children). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 No-one should be refused NHS treatment IMO, encouragement is a good idea as well as tackling the problem of food manufactures and allied industries who push unhealthy foods (especially those that target children). People should direct their anger towards manufacturers who stuff their products with cheap sugar to make up for the lack of any real substance or flavour. It's a scandal that the government should do something about, but they daren't upset the lobbyists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daven Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 People should direct their anger towards manufacturers who stuff their products with cheap sugar to make up for the lack of any real substance or flavour. It's a scandal that the government should do something about, but they daren't upset the lobbyists. But it could be said that no one is forcing those obese folk to eat these foods - they have a choice and could choose to eat less processed food and more fresh food should they really want to. Finances don't come into it since the advent of cheap shops such as Aldi and Lidl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 But it could be said that no one is forcing those obese folk to eat these foods - they have a choice and could choose to eat less processed food and more fresh food should they really want to. Finances don't come into it since the advent of cheap shops such as Aldi and Lidl. Afraid finances still come into it. Meat is a lot more expensive than processed food, and still comes loaded with hormones and chemicals. Vegetables are also laden with chemicals and stuff unless you buy organic, and that comes at a price. The food we eat these days is a disaster waiting to happen, maybe obesity is part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erebus Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 No one forces anyone to eat crap, believe crap, but the media shoves it in peoples faces 24 hours a day in various forms, on the radio TV, Films, Press, magazines etc. So the opinion of the learned ones its that advertising does not work, it has no effect, it cannot persuade people to do things they might not do if they were unaware of the products? So the billions wasted every year on advertising, have no effect, and who pays for this advertising. Well its the crap sellers of course, the people who decided drugs were for the poor, whereas they could make billion not selling crack, but crap. Ever heard of subliminal brainwashing? What is it? Well when you brainwash people, you just repeat the same message on and on, but in different ways, until the plebs believe lies are truth. We all believed weapons of mass destruction because it was pumped at us so hard and for so long, some idiots started to dig shelters. So a truth can be born out of a lie, just by continuously repeating the lie. So people are hypnotized, and we all know the people who act as chickens while in this state are not aware they are doing it, even when told afterwards. Well it is possible to kill hundreds just by shouting fire in a theatre, and panic allows people to kill each other. Of course the best is to prepare the lab rats, and have a party on the roof, and then shout fire, and just watch the lemmings jump to their personal oblivion. On the other hand scaring people that a section of their society is dangerous, making people so scared, they will kill anyone. That is the story of what happened in Rwanda, when it was just another genocide, as these days there are so many. By the time the truth comes out the damage is done, just ask Blair, as its too late innit! So drink fizzy drinks and eat fruit where vitamin C turns one chemical in you fizzy drink into benzene, which does not make you fat but gives you cancer, so no worry about obesity there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky800 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Since many of those suffering with Type 2 diabetes do so due to obesity and considering that it is mainly avoidable and reversible - should those who are overweight have more support and encouragement to improve their diet and take more exercise and be refused NHS care until they do so ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27712381 Are you going to refuse smokers NHS treatment too? Also heavy drinkers? Also drug abusers? Oh and maybe people who do extreme sports as they are high risk too? Oh yeah....people who ride motorbikes, now they are a very high risk of needing NHS treatment? Where do you draw the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daven Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Are you going to refuse smokers NHS treatment too? Also heavy drinkers? Also drug abusers? Oh and maybe people who do extreme sports as they are high risk too? Oh yeah....people who ride motorbikes, now they are a very high risk of needing NHS treatment? Where do you draw the line? I'm not going to do anything mate - I just asked the question. Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Since many of those suffering with Type 2 diabetes do so due to obesity and considering that it is mainly avoidable and reversible - should those who are overweight have more support and encouragement to improve their diet and take more exercise and be refused NHS care until they do so ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27712381 I scanned through the article, does it say somewhere about how much is spent on diabetes treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Since many of those suffering with Type 2 diabetes do so due to obesity and considering that it is mainly avoidable and reversible - should those who are overweight have more support and encouragement to improve their diet and take more exercise and be refused NHS care until they do so ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27712381 The NHS should be free for everyone. What's needed is more emphasis put on the psychological difficulties that come with over eating, and people should be treated by personal nutritionists and personal trainers instead of just told what to do, and left to fend for themselves. ---------- Post added 11-06-2014 at 07:54 ---------- But it could be said that no one is forcing those obese folk to eat these foods - they have a choice and could choose to eat less processed food and more fresh food should they really want to. Finances don't come into it since the advent of cheap shops such as Aldi and Lidl. People who are on a budget can't afford fresh food. Also, people are working so many hours these days that they find it difficult to cook fresh food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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