taxman Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 As many as 500,000 people have been forced to flee the Iraqi city of Mosul after Islamist militants effectively took control of it. Was the war in Iraq a success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The big underlying issue here is that it was done by one of the islamist movements that has roots in the Syrian conflict, it goes to show how easy it is now for such elements to cause havoc. This will make Turkey even more keen to intervene, only thing stopping that at the moment is that the NATO approval is lacking, but if Turkey sniffs a chance to invade North Iraq/Syria 'to solve the Kurdish rebellion' under the pretext of pacifying this unpleasant lot we are in for a new decade of war in the Middle-East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 As many as 500,000 people have been forced to flee the Iraqi city of Mosul after Islamist militants effectively took control of it. Was the war in Iraq a success? The war was a success, the peace not so much. It sort of proves that dictators have a place in the world. I can see the same thing happening in Libya and Egypt in the coming months and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Was the war in Iraq a success? Iran may prove to be the long-term winner. If Iraq breaks apart, an Islamic theocracy based on new national borders crossing into what is now Iraq and Syria would massively change Middle East politics and potentially give Iran far more leverage in the region than it has had until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Iran may prove to be the long-term winner. If Iraq breaks apart, an Islamic theocracy based on new national borders crossing into what is now Iraq and Syria would massively change Middle East politics and potentially give Iran far more leverage in the region than it has had until now. Iran is Shia, these break-away rebels are Sunni, no chance of them cuddling up frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johncocker Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 1500 armed men on vans and trucks enter the city and capture a big city with almost 2,000,000 population?how did it happen? The young officers of the new US trained Iraqi army fled without firing a shot and the soldiers under their command followed. Can one realistically expect to form an effective army in a couple of years, an officer corps that can fight and win in such a short time. How do you get to be an officer in such an army? next afghanistan:roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 They're now having a go at tikrit. Expect falluja by next week. Who are ISIS? Where are they coming from? Are any British? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johncocker Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Iran is Shia, these break-away rebels are Sunni, no chance of them cuddling up frankly. The Shi'ite fundamentalists see the Sunnis as heretics. The middle east problems are never going to go away this is what happens when you disturb the equilibrium in the Middle East. , when you look at the histories of these countries you have either the chaos that we see now, or some kind of strongman keeping a lid on things. There is no middle ground it seems, with Egypt being the biggest example. The short experiment with elections ended not in democracy and tolerance but in implementing tyrannical religious ideas and now there's a new pharao. The killing of Gaddafi in Libya has led to the country being a transit camp for uninvited European immigration. 600,000 are currently waiting to descend on Europe, and once they're there, there will be more. That will have consequences for Europe. So setting the Middle East alight through the desire to kill Saddam Hussein has done more damage than good. ---------- Post added 11-06-2014 at 14:13 ---------- They're now having a go at tikrit. Expect falluja by next week. Who are ISIS? Where are they coming from? Are any British? . This Isis/Isil group, I think are the same faction that the US and co have been backing against Assad in Syria? work that one out:huh: on the up side While they're killing each other they're leaving the rest of us alone:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 It sort of proves that dictators have a place in the world.Guess why France wanted nothing to do with Gulf War 2.0? I wonder if the US would like some salt to rub in their freedom fries-inflicted wounds now... ISIS have been around for a decade, and are the largest militia operating in Iraq and Syria. See Wiki, which is reasonably accurate. They have long been posting their ATGM kills and tunnel bomb vids on Liveleak, besides less palatable (and absolutely not linkable on a family forum) "administration" methods once in charge of a place. Admittedly, they have also long been posting vids of Assad's indiscriminate barrel bombing campaigns. Nowt so horrible to witness as a civil war. Except maybe a religiously-motivated civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Guess why France wanted nothing to do with Gulf War 2.0? I wonder if the US would like some salt to rub in their freedom fries-inflicted wounds now... ISIS have been around for a decade, and are the largest militia operating in Iraq and Syria. See Wiki, which is reasonably accurate. They have long been posting their ATGM kills and tunnel bomb vids on Liveleak, besides less palatable (and absolutely not linkable on a family forum) "administration" methods once in charge of a place. Admittedly, they have also long been posting vids of Assad's indiscriminate barrel bombing campaigns. Nowt so horrible to witness as a civil war. Except maybe a religiously-motivated civil war. But this is point. I know what ISIS (roughly - thanks for a more detailed description )but are they made of mainly of Iraqis, Syrians or what? We know we have Brits packing a bag to fight in Syria - are they fighting for this lot in Iraq? What other countries have people leaving to fight for them and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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