Mental health services drastic cuts

[Bonzo77]

Over the last 6 months I've eaten between 10 and 20 bananas every day, along with other raw unprocessed fruits/vegetables, plus small quantities of cooked and processed food.

 

All with zero hunger (important as I have very low willpower).

 

 

Well, I'd rather have a more diverse diet, that involves eating a variety of tasty foods. Including meat that has been cooked!

 

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CEOs are often as much a victim as anyone else- many are obese, have heart disease, diabetes etc, because they do eat the same crap as everyone else. Why wouldn't they, given it's marketed as healthy?

 

Christy Ruth Walton of Walmart isn't fat.

Philip Clarke of Tesco isn't fat.

David Taylor of Sainsbury's isn't fat.

Ken Morrison isn't fat.

[dhs1]

We have nothing to worry about then/ could you explain a little more your post is coming across to me as they dont usually harm other people only themselves?

 

I have no idea of recent figures but yes, those suffering from schizophrenia are far more likely to kill themselves than a total stranger. You and I are at far more risk from our partner. The former gets far more publicity though.

[ratter71]

 

Over the last 6 months I've eaten between 10 and 20 bananas every day, along with other raw unprocessed fruits/vegetables, plus small quantities of cooked and processed food.

 

 

Following on from your previous thread re: changing gps and with the above information in mind may i suggest you read "Hyperkalemia and hyperdopaminemia induced by an obsessive eating of banana in an anorexia nervosa adolescent." by Tazoe et al (2007)

[onewheeldave]

Following on from your previous thread re: changing gps and with the above information in mind may i suggest you read "Hyperkalemia and hyperdopaminemia induced by an obsessive eating of banana in an anorexia nervosa adolescent." by Tazoe et al (2007)

 

Given I'm an neither an obsessive eater or anorexic, I'm not sure why

 

However, did check-

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17194559

 

and it was one case (can't conclude anything from one case) of a person who was ill (anorexic) who eat nothing but bananas (unlike me who consumes a variety of healthy plant based food, plus cooked carbs and very small amounts of animal produce) and drank less than 500ml of water/day (recommended levels being typically 3000ml/day).

 

She got Hyperkalemia which has certain symptoms which, were I to start getting (I'm not), I would be concerned about.

 

I would love to get my blood tested again, and, if I do so (unlikely as my GP refuses to do blood tests unless the patient has some symptoms) of course I will pay special attention to my blood potassium levels.

 

However, as I seem to be in by far the best shape of my life, both in terms of being optimally lean and finally having consistent energy levels, I'm not that worried at the moment.

 

In sharp contrast to that are the millions of people not consuming a unprocessed fruit/plant/carb based diet like mine, but instead consuming the typical processed, fat heavy standard UK diet who are suffering from diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer etc, but...hey ho...at least they're eating 'normal' 'food', so that's cool

 

Incidently, how's your health, and, what do you weigh at the moment?

 

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Well, I'd rather have a more diverse diet, that involves eating a variety of tasty foods. Including meat that has been cooked!

Enjoy your food- hope you also enjoy the consequences when you hit your fifty's, sadly, many in the west don't

Christy Ruth Walton of Walmart isn't fat.

Philip Clarke of Tesco isn't fat.

David Taylor of Sainsbury's isn't fat.

Ken Morrison isn't fat.

 

I never said they were- I said that in the huge collection of individuals who are company CEOs, many were fat (and ill). Feel free to survey the lot of them and present the results here.

 

Maybe also watch the recent documentary 'fat, sick and nearly dead' I believe the subject of that was a CEO? He was obese and very ill, until he acheived health and leanness by living off only fruit/vegetable juice for 6 months.

 

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Extensive number of tests including MRI scans and that test where they go in at the groin with a camera on a wire and push it up through the artery into the heart taking pictures. (Sorry can't remember what it's called - and it's driving me daft.)

Angiogram?

 

This is interesting. I was under the impression that pretty much all adults in the west on the standard processed food diet had some degree of arterial clogging.

 

How old are you, and, how would you describe your diet? I'm always keen to check out peoples results who don't match my conceptions of nutrition.

Edited June 23, 2014 by onewheeldave

[ratter71]

My way of coping with stress revolves around training/physical activity

 

She also insisted on excessive dose of daily exercise

 

Her obsessive behavior in eating and exercise were exaggerated....

 

 

 

 

Given I'm an neither an obsessive eater or anorexic, I'm not sure why

 

However, did check-

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17194559

 

and it was one case (can't conclude anything from one case) of a person who was ill (anorexic) who eat nothing but bananas (unlike me who consumes a variety of healthy plant based food, plus cooked carbs and very small amounts of animal produce) and drank less than 500ml of water/day (recommended levels being typically 3000ml/day).

 

She got Hyperkalemia which has certain symptoms which, were I to start getting (I'm not), I would be concerned about.

 

I would love to get my blood tested again, and, if I do so (unlikely as my GP refuses to do blood tests unless the patient has some symptoms) of course I will pay special attention to my blood potassium levels.

 

However, as I seem to be in by far the best shape of my life, both in terms of being optimally lean and finally having consistent energy levels, I'm not that worried at the moment.

 

In sharp contrast to that are the millions of people not consuming a unprocessed fruit/plant/carb based diet like mine, but instead consuming the typical processed, fat heavy standard UK diet who are suffering from diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer etc, but...hey ho...at least they're eating 'normal' 'food', so that's cool

 

Incidently, how's your health, and, what do you weigh at the moment?

 

You ignored the hyperdopaminemia. You dont think eating upto 20 bananas daily could be considered obsessive?

 

My health is great, thank you for asking. My diet is balanced. My is weight is fine.

[onewheeldave]

Originally Posted by Tazoe et al

She also insisted on excessive dose of daily exercise

 

Did she? What's your point?

 

I'm very unlike her in that I insist on a dose of daily exercise that isn't excessive. It means as well as being optimally lean (from my diet) I also have a reasonable amount of muscle. As I've posted in another thread, it also enables me to cope with being aspergic. I feel from your post you're having a bit of a sly dig here, perhaps hinting I'm mentally ill as she was? I'm not, I'm aspergic. Maybe I misunderstood, aspergics often have difficulty understanding what people are meaning.

 

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You ignored the hyperdopaminemia. You dont think eating upto 20 bananas daily could be considered obsessive?

 

My health is great, thank you for asking. My diet is balanced. My is weight is fine.

 

Having tackled the Hyperkalemia and found it didn't apply to me, I kind of assumed the hyperdopaminemia may also be irrelevant- if you think otherwise, then go for it- make your point.

 

What do you mean by 'balanced' in the context of diet. Glad you think your weight is fine- what is it though? (in stones or kilos).

 

I'm 11 stone- when I was carrying excess fat I was 13 stone. What weight are you?

[Anna B]

Given I'm an neither an obsessive eater or anorexic, I'm not sure why

 

However, did check-

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17194559

 

and it was one case (can't conclude anything from one case) of a person who was ill (anorexic) who eat nothing but bananas (unlike me who consumes a variety of healthy plant based food, plus cooked carbs and very small amounts of animal produce) and drank less than 500ml of water/day (recommended levels being typically 3000ml/day).

 

She got Hyperkalemia which has certain symptoms which, were I to start getting (I'm not), I would be concerned about.

 

I would love to get my blood tested again, and, if I do so (unlikely as my GP refuses to do blood tests unless the patient has some symptoms) of course I will pay special attention to my blood potassium levels.

 

However, as I seem to be in by far the best shape of my life, both in terms of being optimally lean and finally having consistent energy levels, I'm not that worried at the moment.

 

In sharp contrast to that are the millions of people not consuming a unprocessed fruit/plant/carb based diet like mine, but instead consuming the typical processed, fat heavy standard UK diet who are suffering from diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer etc, but...hey ho...at least they're eating 'normal' 'food', so that's cool

 

Incidently, how's your health, and, what do you weigh at the moment?

 

---------- Post added 23-06-2014 at 19:07 ----------

 

Enjoy your food- hope you also enjoy the consequences when you hit your fifty's, sadly, many in the west don't

 

 

I never said they were- I said that in the huge collection of individuals who are company CEOs, many were fat (and ill). Feel free to survey the lot of them and present the results here.

 

Maybe also watch the recent documentary 'fat, sick and nearly dead' I believe the subject of that was a CEO? He was obese and very ill, until he acheived health and leanness by living off only fruit/vegetable juice for 6 months.

 

---------- Post added 23-06-2014 at 19:12 ----------

 

Angiogram?

 

This is interesting. I was under the impression that pretty much all adults in the west on the standard processed food diet had some degree of arterial clogging.

 

How old are you, and, how would you describe your diet? I'm always keen to check out peoples results who don't match my conceptions of nutrition.

 

Yes, that's it.

The consultant was delighted with the result, but of course it was no answer to what's wrong with my heart, which is still undiagnosed. I have resting angina (which is very painful and worrying) and arrythmia.

I'm 61 and eat a healthy diet. I enjoy salads and vegetables, drink plenty of water and apart from the occasional bacon sandwich (my only weakness) I'm pretty much vegetarian. I also have a dodgy stomach and digestive system which means I have to be careful with what and how I eat. I don't smoke, only drink occasionally but find exercise difficult due to ME and arthritis so I just walk the dog when I can. I am overweight but a lot of that is boobs (top heavy) and no amount of dieting will shift it.

[onewheeldave]

Yes, that's it.

The consultant was delighted with the result, but of course it was no answer to what's wrong with my heart, which is still undiagnosed. I have resting angina (which is very painful and worrying) and arrythmia.

I'm 61 and eat a healthy diet. I enjoy salads and vegetables, drink plenty of water and apart from the occasional bacon sandwich (my only weakness) I'm pretty much vegetarian. I also have a dodgy stomach and digestive system which means I have to be careful with what and how I eat. I don't smoke, only drink occasionally but find exercise difficult due to ME and arthritis so I just walk the dog when I can. I am overweight but a lot of that is boobs (top heavy) and no amount of dieting will shift it.

 

Good, a testament to the health value of plant strong diets

 

I don't know if you supplement b12? Here's a video you may be interested in, by a qualified medical professional who promotes vegan low fat diet, commenting on recent studies indicating equal mortality rates for vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters.

 

That goes against the many studies he's promoted showing that vegan/veggie eating has positive health effects and in this video he's giving his analysis of how that contradictory result has arisen, and, more important, what vegans/veggies can do to counter it.

 

 

Basically it's about omega oils and B12.

 

One other thing I'd say, myself knowing vegetarians who aren't that healthy, and vegans who quit for health reasons, is that there's a big difference between a vegan diet of unprocessed plant foods (very low fat) and one of heavily processed plant foods (tend to be high fat).

 

So I'd suggest any vegan/vegetarian not getting optimal weight and health results, to look into the fat issue, as well as b12.

 

Much as I've come to believe in the benefits of a raw unprocessed fruit based diet (as I've personally been on it for 6 months and experienced very good results), I do think it highly likely that a unprocessed cooked plant based diet will likely give similar results, and, be considerably easier for many to implement.

 

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Further to the above. It's clear that it's possible to be vegetarian and overweight. I believe that it's due to the fact that as vegetariainism become more common, a market in processed vegetarian foods blossumed- a pizza is high fat whether it's meat based or vegetarian.

 

Similarly, now veganism is going mainstream, there are more vegan processed foods available, and, I predict, that we'll now start seeing more overweight vegans.

 

I do not believe that it is possible to be overweight on a vegan/plant based diet of unprocessed plant foods, as they are naturally very low in fat. (This is not to be confused with processed low-fat foods, which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole).

 

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I am overweight but a lot of that is boobs (top heavy) and no amount of dieting will shift it.

 

We should meet

Edited June 24, 2014 by onewheeldave

[Anna B]

Good, a testament to the health value of plant strong diets

 

I don't know if you supplement b12? Here's a video you may be interested in, by a qualified medical professional who promotes vegan low fat diet, commenting on recent studies indicating equal mortality rates for vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters.

 

That goes against the many studies he's promoted showing that vegan/veggie eating has positive health effects and in this video he's giving his analysis of how that contradictory result has arisen, and, more important, what vegans/veggies can do to counter it.

 

 

Basically it's about omega oils and B12.

 

One other thing I'd say, myself knowing vegetarians who aren't that healthy, and vegans who quit for health reasons, is that there's a big difference between a vegan diet of unprocessed plant foods (very low fat) and one of heavily processed plant foods (tend to be high fat).

 

So I'd suggest any vegan/vegetarian not getting optimal weight and health results, to look into the fat issue, as well as b12.

 

Much as I've come to believe in the benefits of a raw unprocessed fruit based diet (as I've personally been on it for 6 months and experienced very good results), I do think it highly likely that a unprocessed cooked plant based diet will likely give similar results, and, be considerably easier for many to implement.

 

---------- Post added 24-06-2014 at 16:46 ----------

 

Further to the above. It's clear that it's possible to be vegetarian and overweight. I believe that it's due to the fact that as vegetariainism become more common, a market in processed vegetarian foods blossumed- a pizza is high fat whether it's meat based or vegetarian.

 

Similarly, now veganism is going mainstream, there are more vegan processed foods available, and, I predict, that we'll now start seeing more overweight vegans.

 

I do not believe that it is possible to be overweight on a vegan/plant based diet of unprocessed plant foods, as they are naturally very low in fat. (This is not to be confused with processed low-fat foods, which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole).

 

---------- Post added 24-06-2014 at 16:49 ----------

 

 

We should meet

 

They're the bane of my life mate. Terrific when you're twenty, but a pain (literally) when you're sixty, but you've made my day.

Oh the memories....

 

Anyway, an interesting post. I do take supplements every day; a multivitamin, Omega 3, Cod liver oil, glucosomine, and magnesium and co-enzyme Q10 for the ME, plus Vitamin D in winter. I also make a point of getting out in the garden for at least half an hour every day even if the weather is poor. I also try to meditate every day.

 

I had a nasty accident in 2007 followed by a horrendous virus which put me in bed for 3 months and from which I've never really recovered. It affected my heart and brought on the ME.

It made me slow down and smell the flowers, and start taking a real interest in proper diet and wellbeing, so a blessing in disguise in some ways.

 

I might try the B12 to see if it increases my energy levels which are my main problem.

Edited June 24, 2014 by Anna B

[Fidgety]

Whoa, I just saw b12!

 

Let's get this b12 thing sorted - because now there is new 'UK' research to prove what is going on.

 

Vitamin b12 is a compound essential to life. It's a co-enzyme in several metabolic pathways which ensure that certain processes take place including DNA synthesis and nerve remyelination.

 

It is NOT a blood condition which is 'quickly and easily treated.'

They've been getting it back to front.

 

If you don't get enough b12 (through a malabsorption issue - you don't have to test positive for pernicious anaemia for b12 deficiency to be 'important.') then the metabolic pathways are disrupted and certain metabolic processes cannot take place. This results in neurological (nerve)or psychological or haematological problems.

 

The initial symptoms usually start with fatigue/depression and usually go on to follow one of either of the two main pathways, nerve damage or psychological damage.

The problems come in stages; so you might have lethargy, forgetfulness, pins and needles and a myriad other things but in the earlier stages most are reversible if you get the 'correct' treatment.

Then you start to get balance issues, muscle weakness and pain, vision issues (usually deterioration that's a little too quick) temperature disregulation. Many of these too may be reversible with the 'right' treatment.

Then it gets worse, and balance becomes a more serious problem, there might be a constant feeling of being cold, lack of comprehension skills, extreme blurring of vision, temper flare ups, extreme weakness, muscle disfunction, muscle fibrillations, incontinence issues. Down the psychological route by this point the individual possibly has clearly identifiable dementia or other psychiatric/cognitive issues. This is the point when many symptoms will stop being reversible no matter how much treatment they get.

The end stage is 'usually' the point where the anaemia appears (but this is not always the case - it can appear earlier, it may never appear) and the patient moves into the stage of paralysis, double incontinence, incapacitated.

 

And the doctors thought it started with anaemia - and the neurological symptoms followed it.

There are currently rumblings in the scientific community because the serum b12 test - which has, by the UK team, been shown to be unreliable (at best) because it isn't picking up all these neuro problems, it is only identifying how much b12 is in the blood.

 

So, now nurses know why all those patients with b12 deficiency keep coming back to say their symptoms are returning before their next jab (and then nurses put their blood levels right - no correlation whatsoever to what is happening at cellular level)

And why people are having so much trouble getting an initial diagnosis and being sent off having emotional problems, depression, fatigue, or simply being accused of being 'frequent flyers.'

Doctors don't recognise the symptoms because they are looking for a blood condition, and the serum b12 test couldn't pick up a whore in a brothel!

 

You can't read the whole of the research paper unless you are a member but you can see the abstract and the Responses section from doctors all over the world in the BMJ online. It's titled Vitamin B12 Deficiency, by Hunt. 4th September 2014.

 

Oh, and when it comes to hearts and strokes. B12, on one of the pathways, enables homocysteine to be converted. If it isn't it builds up and can result in heart attacks and strokes. - That's an aside as to what b12 deficiency does directly.

 

Do you feel better now you know you quite likely aren't 'imagining' your symptoms.

 

Energy booster indeed. Pah!