RootsBooster Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 In my view it takes as much 'faith' to not believe in a creator, as it does to believe in one. The fact is quite straight forward, nobody knows you believe there isn't, someone else believes there is. Neither one of you knows you simply have opposing beliefs not worth worrying about either way, as it's extremely unlikely that we'll ever actually find out. How do you know that nobody knows? Or is that just what you believe about them? It comes back round to your misunderstanding of the atheist/theist/agnostic/gnostic terms. If I remember rightly you refused to accept that you are an agnostic atheist, even though everything you have described about yourself fits the bill. There's quite a famous table that explains it well... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=agnostic+atheist+gnostic+theist+table&espv=213&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=eZnwU4b-MdOR0QXVsoCYCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=799 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Shoes Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 Definition of Religion A person (probably a man) said something and more than a billion people believe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Definition of Religion A person (probably a man) said something and more than a billion people believe them. I don't think that's the actual definition of religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Shoes Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 I don't think that's the actual definition of religion I think its pretty accurate. Jesus said some stuff and people believed him. Mohammed said some stuff and people believed him. L. Ron Hubbard said some stuff and people believed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Thats one hell of alot of religions. and they all think they have the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Shoes Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Thats one hell of alot of religions. and they all think they have the right one. And all created by man. Absolutely no evidence what so ever of a higher being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I think its pretty accurate. Jesus said some stuff and people believed him. Mohammed said some stuff and people believed him. L. Ron Hubbard said some stuff and people believed him. My Physics teacher said some stuff and people believed him, does that make his class a religion? How about in court, when someone says stuff that people believe it, is that court case a religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw47 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Your reply was, "In my view it takes as much 'faith' to not believe in a creator, as it does to believe in one.", but it takes no faith to not believe in something. To believe either way takes faith. I don't have a specialist subject. This is not Mastermind. I apparently comprehended your post more accurately than the poster did/does. No you did not. Your reply stated that the middle option (...reserving belief...) required as much faith as belief in god's existence. It requires no faith. Do you understand now? If not, try looking at the Wiki link which I provided. That should explain your error. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 13:04 ---------- Accepted! You are apparently unable to comprehend that a reply to a single statement can be dealt with with a single statement, and that unlike some, there is no compulsion on everyone to expand into related but non relevant topics. 'There is no God'* 'It takes belief/faith to hold that particular view'. *That was a statement of belief. And that was what I replied to. Quite straight forward, no need for 'ah but on this hand and there again on the other hand'. And it is my belief that going on your past posts you, and a number of your 'friends', do have a specialist subject, one on which you are always eager to provide the benefit of your self assumed wisdom. I hold a view on people who presume to know the thoughts of others better than they do themselves. It is not a kind or gentle view. Now, before we get into one of those interminable debates where you attempt to prove that you not only understand what I believe better than I do, but you also claim to understand the definitions of words to a far greater degree than the people who compile dictionaries, may I make a suggestion? In order not to bore the rest of the posters into a catatonic state, why don't you PM me with any further thoughts you may have on the subject? I must warn you that my interest in this subject is limited, and that I was merely making a casual observation in answer to a claim on a particular post before you decided I needed the benefit of your thoughts. Don't let that stop you however, I will read and reply none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Definition of Religion A person (probably a man) said something and more than a billion people believe them. Try again, that's grossly simplistic and inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw47 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 How do you know that nobody knows? Or is that just what you believe about them? It comes back round to your misunderstanding of the atheist/theist/agnostic/gnostic terms. If I remember rightly you refused to accept that you are an agnostic atheist, even though everything you have described about yourself fits the bill. There's quite a famous table that explains it well... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=agnostic+atheist+gnostic+theist+table&espv=213&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=eZnwU4b-MdOR0QXVsoCYCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=799 Please explain how someone can know? In order to know. rather than believe, you would require positive proof. If someone possessed such a thing no doubt they would be more than eager to share it with us. Richard Dawkins for instance would be on every media outlet which exists in order to prove his current belief was the truth. No atheist would suppress the facts if they could prove them, they can't and therefore just have a belief like the theists. Any religious person on the other hand would be delighted to prove their claims true. Or alternatively, form a new 'true' religion, if the proof they had showed that God was unlike that currently described in any earthly religion. But if you wish to believe that there is someone out there with proof go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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