Rasputin, Archduke Ferdinand, ww1, strange coincidence

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Interesting to think that the fall of two of Europe's monarchs Louise Sixteenth of France and Tsar Nicholas the second of Russia were caused in large part by their marriage to hare brained Germanic Princesses.

 

Rasputin's influence over Alexandra Empress of Russia caused her to make grievous mistakes during the Tsar's absence at the front during WW One. These mistakes led to the downfall of the Romanovs

 

As for Marie Antoinoinette? "Let them eat cake"

Except that she didn't.

(And that there's an extra 'oin' in your version of her name).

[firemanbob]

as we come up to the 100 anniversary of WW1 and we get another step closer to WW 3 with the recent events in the ukraine /

here's a strange coincidence/

 

rasputin and ferdinand were both murdered at the exact same time on June 26, 1914

The Archduke Ferdinand was murdered shortly before eleven. Rasputin was stabbed at 2:15, and 10:55 in Sarajevo was exactly 2:15 in Pokrovskoe. The man whose death caused the First World War, and the man who could have been an influence on averting the war, were struck down at the same moment.

 

Probably aliens trying to get us to kill each other so they can have our planet.

[Harleyman]

Except that she didn't.

(And that there's an extra 'oin' in your version of her name).

 

The Spelling Gendarme strikes again !

 

Had she been a much wiser person she just might have saved herself and family from the guillotine. She made no attempt to identify herself with the populace, instead spending her time surrounded by wigged and perfumed court peacocks.

 

We know that the prime cause of the French revolution was a series of bad harvests which caused a widespread food shortage and that the French treasury was completely bankrupt after assisting the American revolutionaries a few years earlier.

 

By attempting to flee to her native Austria while in the custody of the French revolutionaries it was believed that she intended to or hoped to raise an army in that country to invade France and restore the monarchy. Bad mistake on her part. She had already managed to make herself hated among the general populace.

 

So yes she had much to do with the demise of the French nobility. Certainly her behavior as queen and attempt at flight doomed herself and family

[999tigger]

Only if Rasputin had been Lenin's dad.

 

Lol bang on

[Alien52]

And Bochum.

 

No need for that kind of language.

[Mecky]

Nothing like try to talk yourself into a war is there?

[johncocker]

I thought that Rasputin was murdered December 1916?

sorry it should have been attempted murder.

 

So another conspiracy that is easily disproved by a very basic grasp of the facts. Doesn't anyone check these things out before they post such rubbish?

 

quote// 6/29/1914, the day after the assassination of the Austrian Archduke, Rasputin was stabbed and severely injured by a woman named Khionia Guseva, who was a disciple of the monk Iliodor. Iliodor, whose true given name was Sergei Michailovich Trufanov, was a member of the Black Hundreds, an ultra-nationalist society that wanted, not increasing liberalization, but a return to more autocratic rule. The entire organization was rabidly anti-Semitic. There seems little doubt that Iliodor was behind the attack on Rasputin, although there is no hard proof that the stabbing was ordered by the leaders of the Black Hundreds. Yet this strange cult has much in common with other secret or semi-secret societies that have played such a sinister role in human history. Whatever the case, while Rasputin was hospitalized, the Czar made the fatal error of entering the war, setting the stage for his own downfall.

[999tigger]

sorry it should have been attempted murder.

 

 

 

quote// 6/29/1914, the day after the assassination of the Austrian Archduke, Rasputin was stabbed and severely injured by a woman named Khionia Guseva, who was a disciple of the monk Iliodor. Iliodor, whose true given name was Sergei Michailovich Trufanov, was a member of the Black Hundreds, an ultra-nationalist society that wanted, not increasing liberalization, but a return to more autocratic rule. The entire organization was rabidly anti-Semitic. There seems little doubt that Iliodor was behind the attack on Rasputin, although there is no hard proof that the stabbing was ordered by the leaders of the Black Hundreds. Yet this strange cult has much in common with other secret or semi-secret societies that have played such a sinister role in human history. Whatever the case, while Rasputin was hospitalized, the Czar made the fatal error of entering the war, setting the stage for his own downfall.

 

 

Which completely undermines your oh so spooky coincidence in your op, which was wrong.

Big deal someone gets shot one day and someone else gets attacked thwe following day....oooh spooky.

[johncocker]

Hang your head in shame op.

 

Which completely undermines your oh so spooky coincidence in your op, which was wrong.

Big deal someone gets shot one day and someone else gets attacked thwe following day....oooh spooky.

 

 

are you one of the blokes I upset on the gay marraige thread?

 

---------- Post added 25-07-2014 at 14:57 ----------

 

quote/On Sunday 28th June 1914, the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was assassinated. This provoked the Emperor to mobilise against Serbia and Russia came in on the Serbian side. Bingo! WW1.

 

At exactly the same moment that Princip was killing the Archduke, Rasputin was stabbed as he came out of church in his home town in Siberia. He was totally opposed to any war and, had he been in Saint Petersburg, could have prevented Russian mobilisation. By the time he had recovered, it was too late.

 

quote/The author, Colin Wilson, says in his book Rasputin:

 

“There are fifty degrees of longitude between Sarajevo and Pokrovskoe, which means that eleven o’clock in Sarajevo it is about 2.15 in Pokrovskoe. It is a strange coincidence that two assassins struck at almost exactly the same moment, a coincidence that makes one inclined to doubt the blindness of history. Ferdinand’s death made war probable, Rasputin’s injury made it certain, for he was the only man in Russia capable of averting it.”

[Longcol]

 

 

 

On Sunday 28th June 1914, the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was assassinated. This provoked the Emperor to mobilise against Serbia and Russia came in on the Serbian side. Bingo! WW1.

 

At exactly the same moment that Princip was killing the Archduke, Rasputin was stabbed as he came out of church in his home town in Siberia. He was totally opposed to any war and, had he been in Saint Petersburg, could have prevented Russian mobilisation. By the time he had recovered, it was too late.

 

quote/The author, Colin Wilson, says in his book Rasputin:

 

“There are fifty degrees of longitude between Sarajevo and Pokrovskoe, which means that eleven o’clock in Sarajevo it is about 2.15 in Pokrovskoe. It is a strange coincidence that two assassins struck at almost exactly the same moment, a coincidence that makes one inclined to doubt the blindness of history. Ferdinand’s death made war probable, Rasputin’s injury made it certain, for he was the only man in Russia capable of averting it.”

 

He's forgotten that Russia at that time was operating on the old Julian calendar - therefore in the rest of the world the stabbing of Rasputin was 12 July 1914, two weeks after the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.