Castlegate/old Market area redevelopment

[*_ash_*]

8 hours ago, Bilge said:

More info here.

 

---and here.

the more info, I've seen and no road maps,

 

and here - was better, but other than the greenphase 2 which is nearest to what I'm looking for, it doesn't show the lanes clear enough.

 

(edit, thanks Bilge for trying btw)

 

 

As this has been merged, and the search facility doesn't work, and there are now 26 pages...

 

 

my title has gone,

 

so this is my question...

 

Can anyone find me a road map design of the new section around this area please?

 

p.s. No point posting 'google it' , I have, and can't find it.

 

 

I'll add in another merge (as I want to link in planner as he has links)

 

@Planner1

Edited November 7, 2019 by *_ash_*

[Planner1]

On 07/11/2019 at 20:58, *_ash_* said:

I'll add in another merge (as I want to link in planner as he has links)

 

@Planner1

I asked my old colleagues at SCC.  You might find something at the bottom of the page here 

[*_ash_*]

4 hours ago, Planner1 said:

I asked my old colleagues at SCC.  You might find something at the bottom of the page here 

Thanks @Planner1

 

Yes, looking at the layout there will be one feeder lane from Park Sq (as it now with the works), then means at rush hour, when Furnival Road is full (every day at rush hour), then the buses can't get past them onto Blonk St and Wicker. Already causing chaos. Glad I don't use buses, this is a terrible mistake.

[redbig]

12 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

Thanks @Planner1

 

Yes, looking at the layout there will be one feeder lane from Park Sq (as it now with the works), then means at rush hour, when Furnival Road is full (every day at rush hour), then the buses can't get past them onto Blonk St and Wicker. Already causing chaos. Glad I don't use buses, this is a terrible mistake.

Unless they don't show the road markings on that layout. Exit on to park square coming from Furnival road is currently 2 lanes (or it was before the road works) but they don't show that either

[nuthead]

At the moment all it takes is one car heading towards Furnival Road to block Blonk Street. As soon as that happens the entire Wicker area comes to a standstill, which in turn blocks the Wicker/Derek Dooley junction and soon after blocks the Furnival Road/Derek Dooley junction causing complete gridlock. It could do with the give way line moving for cars passing Blonk street from Exchange Place towards Furnival Road instead of at the end of Blonk Streeet towards Exchange Place (although selfish idiots would ignore it and block everything still)

 

From what I can tell, the road layout now is pretty much how it will be except cars will come off Park Square and be routed up the other side of Exchange Place to where they are currently. Towards Park Square Exchange Place will be one lane and then split into 3 just before the roundabout, just like it is currently. The only other change to come is them putting a roundabout in on Blonk Street at the turn to the NCP/where Blonk Street becomes bus only towards Wicker

[*_ash_*]

2 hours ago, redbig said:

Unless they don't show the road markings on that layout. Exit on to park square coming from Furnival road is currently 2 lanes (or it was before the road works) but they don't show that either

That link at the bottom of planners link looks pretty conclusive to me.

 

It's going to be 1 lane off the Park Sq side.

[Michael_N]

If anything the whole area around Castlegate/Fitzalan Square seems to have been designed to make things worst than they were before, even for buses and taxis. Before these changes you used to rarely see the Waingate/Commercial Street/Flat Street junction getting blocked, now it happens on almost a hourly basis, even impacting on the trams sometimes with traffic backing up along Waingate and blocking the junction with Commercial Street.

 

Can't help but think all this could've been avoided if the bottom part of Fitzalan Square was left as a through road with the traffic signals and the top half been pedestrianised. Just don't make sense.

 

Blonk Street/Wicker is a nightmare now too, with a noticeable increase in traffic at the bottom half of the Parkway and along Derek Dooley Way as all the ways out around the Wicker have been closed to through traffic.

 

Also maybe one for @Planner1, wouldn't the junction at the end of Wicker/Blonk Street/Nursery Street have been better with a mini-roundabout rather than the mess it will be? Its even caused some bus routes to have to be permanently altered and no longer serve Waingate/Wicker areas (10/24/25/56). 

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2 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

That link at the bottom of planners link looks pretty conclusive to me.

 

It's going to be 1 lane off the Park Sq side.

It does look like that.

 

Glad I go through the area an hour or 2 before it gets busy

[Bargepole23]

On 12/11/2019 at 10:35, *_ash_* said:

That link at the bottom of planners link looks pretty conclusive to me.

 

It's going to be 1 lane off the Park Sq side.

Good. Hopefully will force more through traffic onto the ring road and out of the public realm.

[*_ash_*]

7 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

Good. Hopefully will force more through traffic onto the ring road and out of the public realm.

So far, the avoiders of it, have brought this section off RR to a complete standstill every rush hour.