Castlegate/old Market area redevelopment

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We have a ring road, if it's full, the solution isn't more cars.

 

The solution to congestion, isn't to allow rat-running.

 

There appears no limit to how much we're prepared to spend trying to get people to drive more. 

Edited November 16, 2019 by ads36

[Bargepole23]

19 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

So far, the avoiders of it, have brought this section off RR to a complete standstill every rush hour.

Good. Hopefully will force some of them out of their cars and onto public transport, walking, cycling or any other sustainable form of transport. 

[*_ash_*]

Bargepole, did you not read what I wrote?

 

Why are people going to get on a bus, when the whole point I was making, is that the bus no longer has a way to get past queueing cars!

 

5 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

Good. Hopefully will force some of them out of their cars and onto public transport, walking, cycling or any other sustainable form of transport. 

On 11/11/2019 at 19:24, *_ash_* said:

Thanks @Planner1

 

Yes, looking at the layout there will be one feeder lane from Park Sq (as it now with the works), then means at rush hour, when Furnival Road is full (every day at rush hour), then the buses can't get past them onto Blonk St and Wicker. Already causing chaos. Glad I don't use buses, this is a terrible mistake.

 

[Martin C]

2 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

Bargepole, did you not read what I wrote?

 

Why are people going to get on a bus, when the whole point I was making, is that the bus no longer has a way to get past queueing cars!

 

 

Hopefully common sense will prevail (I'll not hold my breath though) and the few remaining routes (20 & 97/98 I believe) that operate via Commercial Street, Park Square and Blonk Street to reach The Wicker will be diverted via Angel St, Castle Street and Waingate.

[*_ash_*]

53 minutes ago, Martin C said:

Hopefully common sense will prevail (I'll not hold my breath though) and the few remaining routes (20 & 97/98 I believe) that operate via Commercial Street, Park Square and Blonk Street to reach The Wicker will be diverted via Angel St, Castle Street and Waingate.

Sorry to say this Martin C,

 

Since the new lights Market Place/High St are now pretty much on permanent red (near hole in road entering towards Church St), this then blocks the bus gate towards cathedral, which soon blocks the general traffic access route from Commercial Street to Arundel Gate.  Hence why now long queues (even in the day) up Commercial Street, and in heavier traffic spreads around Park Sq.

 

This in turn blocks the route you wish to move to.

 

It's probably no better option now. Lucky I can assess and choose the 50/50 of which quicker way around, buses don't have that.

 

How this continues to happen, over and over again, just baffles me.  Get people on buses!!!! yay! then cut off the route that buses had an advantage (and me too in my taxi), and plant some trees and put fancy paving down.

 

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Another one, which I might as well post, as causes problems every day, same places all the time.

 

The  light sequence to get out of the station has been altered at rush hour to 'increase flow on the ring road', but brings the station to a standstill, and hence brings the ring road left hand lane clockwise on Sheaf Street to a standstill, because no one can get in to the station, because no one can get out.

 

 

[Phili Buster]

9 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

Sorry to say this Martin C,

 

Since the new lights Market Place/High St are now pretty much on permanent red (near hole in road entering towards Church St), this then blocks the bus gate towards cathedral, which soon blocks the general traffic access route from Commercial Street to Arundel Gate.  Hence why now long queues (even in the day) up Commercial Street, and in heavier traffic spreads around Park Sq.

 

This in turn blocks the route you wish to move to.

 

It's probably no better option now. Lucky I can assess and choose the 50/50 of which quicker way around, buses don't have that.

 

How this continues to happen, over and over again, just baffles me.  Get people on buses!!!! yay! then cut off the route that buses had an advantage (and me too in my taxi), and plant some trees and put fancy paving down.

 

-

 

Another one, which I might as well post, as causes problems every day, same places all the time.

 

The  light sequence to get out of the station has been altered at rush hour to 'increase flow on the ring road', but brings the station to a standstill, and hence brings the ring road left hand lane clockwise on Sheaf Street to a standstill, because no one can get in to the station, because no one can get out.

 

 

You just got to applaud the expert traffic planners, they certainly know their stuff

[Bargepole23]

18 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

Bargepole, did you not read what I wrote?

 

Why are people going to get on a bus, when the whole point I was making, is that the bus no longer has a way to get past queueing cars!

 

 

In which case, close it off entirely to all traffic except buses and bikes.

 

[*_ash_*]

4 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

In which case, close it off entirely to all traffic except buses and bikes.

 

how do you suppose I do that?

Edited November 17, 2019 by *_ash_*

[Bargepole23]

23 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

how do you suppose I do that?

I don't suppose that you do the closing off at all. Leave that to those doing the design and build.

[*_ash_*]

1 hour ago, Bargepole23 said:

I don't suppose that you do the closing off at all. Leave that to those doing the design and build.

Is this some never ending circle of dialogue nonsense?!

 

I started the thread (though now merged into a megathread) questioning the design of it!!