Why our boycott campaign against Israel makes sense #BDS

[firemanbob]

It is Israel which is systematically destroying Palestine, by driving the Palestinians from their land. Israeli settlers are quite up front about it. They use the bible as if it is some kind of legal document equivalent to the deeds of a large tract of the middle east.

 

It would be easy to dissmiss them as just an insignificant bunch of fruit loops, were it not for the fact that the Israeli military clears the Palestinians from the land, guards the settlements, and engages in large scale retaliations against Palestinian civilians as a collective punishment for the actions of the militant groups which would inevitably spring up in any society subjected to such treatment.

 

Then we have the likes of you, telling us that no, it is the Palestinians who are attacking Israel. It is the Israelis who are the victims. Black is white. Up is down.

 

There is no Palestine, the West Bank was occupied and annexed by Jordon after Arab–Israeli war, the Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem. All but one of the 35 synagogues in the Old City were destroyed over the course of the next 19 years, either razed or used as stables and chicken coops. Many other historic and religiously significant buildings were replaced by modern structures. The ancient Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives was desecrated. Gaza was occupied by Egypt and in 1967 during another defensive war Israel took them back.

 

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Disputed territory? Disputed in the sense that the people who are stealing it say it is their's now, because of the bible.

 

No it was theirs prior to Jordon and Egypt taking it during the Arab Israeli war.

Edited August 30, 2014 by firemanbob

[Happ Hazzard]

How did Palestinians end up with the land before it was Israel? Indeed, how did "Palestine" come to be in the first place, because it had to come from somewhere? I think you'll find it was through one group of people taking the land from another group. The same way Israel did it. Surely what's good for the goose is also good for the gander?

[firemanbob]

How did Palestinians end up with the land before it was Israel? Indeed, how did "Palestine" come to be in the first place, because it had to come from somewhere? I think you'll find it was through one group of people taking the land from another group. The same way Israel did it. Surely what's good for the goose is also good for the gander?

 

Before Israel it was the Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire. and it's the fall of this once vast Islamic caliphate that grates on Muslim and why Hamas and Isis want it back.

[donkey]

How did Palestinians end up with the land before it was Israel? Indeed, how did "Palestine" come to be in the first place, because it had to come from somewhere? I think you'll find it was through one group of people taking the land from another group. The same way Israel did it. Surely what's good for the goose is also good for the gander?

 

I appreciate your honesty in stating in a straightforeward manner that you support an ethnic war and land grab against the Palestinians. A breath of fresh air from the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of those who interminably pretend the Zionists are defending themselves while they conduct a ruthless ethnic race war.

 

And it is funny the way many European extreme right wingers now support Israel because they hate Muslims more than Jews these days, when in the relatively recent past they wanted to murder all Jews. What is even weirder is the way that the extremist Zionists are quite happy to accept the support of the people who tried to wipe their own kith and kin from the face of the Earth not seventy years ago. Racial supremacists are an odd bunch.

Edited August 30, 2014 by donkey

[ronthenekred]

I appreciate your honesty in stating in a straightforeward manner that you support an ethnic war and land grab against the Palestinians. A breath of fresh air from the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of those who interminably pretend the Zionists are defending themselves while they conduct a ruthless ethnic race war.

 

And it is funny the way many European extreme right wingers now support Israel because they hate Muslims more than Jews these days, when in the relatively recent past they wanted to murder all Jews. What is even weirder is the way that the extremist Zionists are quite happy to accept the support of the people who tried to wipe their own kith and kin from the face of the Earth not seventy years ago. Racial supremacists are an odd bunch.

 

All that confusion and mind gymnastics (I use the word 'mind' loosely btw) must be really demanding.

[Happ Hazzard]

I appreciate your honesty in stating in a straightforeward manner that you support an ethnic war and land grab against the Palestinians. A breath of fresh air from the mealy mouthed hypocrisy of those who interminably pretend the Zionists are defending themselves while they conduct a ruthless ethnic race war.

 

And it is funny the way many European extreme right wingers now support Israel because they hate Muslims more than Jews these days, when in the relatively recent past they wanted to murder all Jews. What is even weirder is the way that the extremist Zionists are quite happy to accept the support of the people who tried to wipe their own kith and kin from the face of the Earth not seventy years ago. Racial supremacists are an odd bunch.

There's nothing like that about it. Israel is a free, modern, developed, westernised, democratic country. The larger it is, the more free, modern, developed, westernised and democratic the Middle East is. If the Islamic countries in the region gave their citizens the same standard of living as Israelis had, do you really think there'd be all the trouble in that region??

[ronthenekred]

There's nothing like that about it. Israel is a free, modern, developed, westernised, democratic country. The larger it is, the more free, modern, developed, westernised and democratic the Middle East is. If the Islamic countries in the region gave their citizens the same standard of living as Israelis had, do you really think there'd be all the trouble in that region??

 

Not so free, not so developed for some, as for standards, well that's questionable..I'm sure you'll have all the answers.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/19/holocaust-survivor-struggle-money-israel

[clinteastwoo]

How would you describe the Hamas rocket attacks? don't tell me - "heroic"

 

I would describe them as ' Hamas Rockets' just like you. But what you fail to reasonably comprehend is that Hamas is not women or children going about their daily lives, and they are the collective that Israel does not mind killing in order to prove a point.

 

Now this is nothing personal but I have read your post on this and think you may not have the intellect to be part of the discussion. The post you put up earlier in support of Israel was pathetic. You must have swallowed it all hook line and sinker with the sounds of it.

 

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But they have maimed, orphaned and made homeless tens of thousands of Palestinians because of their attacks on Israel.

 

You make me sick. How you can excuse the murder of Palestinians on Hamas when it is clear that even with the best pin point targeting weapons that Israel has they still manage to bomb schools and safe havens where they asked people to go to is just beyond belief.

 

You and your ilk will never get or accept the facts but its a good job a lot of other people do and are willing to go without the produce of Israel in order to prove the point.

Boycott Israel !

 

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Israel aren't driving Palestinians into refugee camps so they can steal their land and build Israeli settlements.

Keep repeating the lie but for most they just see it for what it is.

 

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That doesn't support your stance, its just states that Israel is building settlement on disputed territory.

Disputed by everyone but Israel you mean ?

 

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Racial supremacists are an odd bunch.

 

you most certainly are, with your strange mix of islamophilia, arabist, leftist and antisemitic views, all rolled into one.

 

Well spoken. I say well but what I actually mean is truthfully.

Edited August 31, 2014 by clinteastwoo

[firemanbob]

You make me sick. How you can excuse the murder of Palestinians on Hamas when it is clear that even with the best pin point targeting weapons that Israel has they still manage to bomb schools and safe havens where they asked people to go to is just beyond belief.

 

Is that because I condemn the terrorist that you clearly support, you clearly don't understand the concept of war, when your hero's start one you should expect some of them to be killed.

 

 

 

 

You and your ilk will never get or accept the facts but its a good job a lot of other people do and are willing to go without the produce of Israel in order to prove the point.

Boycott Israel !

I absolutely understand that different people will have different opinions, its the very reason the Israel Palestinian problem isn't going to go away, I support Israel right to exist and defend itself, you support the Palestinians right to attack Israel and condemn or boycott Israel when they retaliate.

 

 

 

Keep repeating the lie but for most they just see it for what it is.

 

 

Disputed by everyone but Israel you mean ?

 

No Israel describe it as disputed territory after taking it back from the occupiers that took it from them.

 

The West Bank was occupied and annexed by Jordon after Arab–Israeli war, the Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem. All but one of the 35 synagogues in the Old City were destroyed over the course of the next 19 years, either razed or used as stables and chicken coops. Many other historic and religiously significant buildings were replaced by modern structures. The ancient Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives was desecrated. Gaza was occupied by Egypt and in 1967 during another defensive war Israel took them back.

 

Arab world was wrong to reject 1947 Partition Plan

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Friday in an interview with Channel 2 that the Arab world erred in rejecting the United Nations' 1947 plan to partition Palestine into a Palestinian and a Jewish state.

Because they rejected it a Palestinian state was never formed, no borders were created, which make the West Bank and Gaza disputed territory.

 

The Palestinian and Arab refusal to accept a UN plan to partition the then-British-controlled mandate of Palestine sparked widespread fighting, then Arab military intervention after Israel declared independence the following year. The Arabs lost the war.

 

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No borders have been established or recognized by the parties.

 

In line with the above idea, the Israeli government has officially stated that its position is that the territories cannot be called occupied, as no nation had clear rights to them, and there was no operative diplomatic arrangement, when Israel acquired them in June 1967.

 

Territories are only "occupied" if they are captured in war from an established and recognized sovereign, but no state had a legitimate or recognized sovereignty over the West Bank, Gaza Strip or East Jerusalem prior to the Six-Day War.

 

The Fourth Geneva Convention is not applicable to the West Bank and Gaza Strip, since, under its Article 2, it pertains only to "cases of…occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party" by another High Contracting party. The West Bank and Gaza Strip have never been the legal territories of any High Contracting Party.

 

 

 

Israel took control of the West Bank as a result of a defensive war. The language of "occupation" has allowed Palestinian spokesmen to obfuscate this history. By repeatedly pointing to "occupation," they manage to reverse the causality of the conflict, especially in front of Western audiences. Thus, the current territorial dispute is allegedly the result of an Israeli decision "to occupy," rather than a result of a war imposed on Israel by a coalition of Arab states in 1967. Former State Department Legal Advisor Stephen Schwebel, who later headed the International Court of Justice in the Hague, wrote in 1970 regarding Israel's case: "Where the prior holder of territory had seized that territory unlawfully, the state which subsequently takes that territory in the lawful exercise of self-defense has, against that prior holder, better title.

 

Arab world was wrong to reject 1947 Partition Plan

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Friday in an interview with Channel 2 that the Arab world erred in rejecting the United Nations' 1947 plan to partition Palestine into a Palestinian and a Jewish state.

Edited August 31, 2014 by firemanbob

[blake]

they talk about 'Palestinian land', as if there has ever been such a thing, when there hasn't.

 

the British had it between 1917 and 1948 and the Turks had it before that, from the 16th century.

 

the Arabs cannot even pronounce the word Palestine, for crying out loud. There is no P sound in the Arabic language. That is why it is 'Filastin' to them. It is the closest thing they can get to the Latin/European word Palestine that the Romans decided to rename Judea two thousand years ago.

 

between 1948-67 Egypt occupied Gaza and Transjordan (now Jordan) occupied the West Bank, totally unlawfully. They did not speak of any 'Palestine' either. No moves were made by either of them to give the 'Palestinians' any autonomy. Why should they have? As far as the Egyptians and Jordanians were concerned, 'Palestine' did not exist, except as a word in a Latin/European dictionary.

 

and unlike the Israelis, they did not have any UNSCR 242 to justify their occupation.