johncocker Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Language barriers, no education, no understanding of (or desire to embrace) our culture and no money. Junk immigration whether or not your bleeding heart will let you admit it. as long as Britain is seen as such an attractive destination this will continue. It's people trafficking and this country is aiding and abetting the criminals halibut a bleeding heart just another facade for him to hide behind while he tries to guilt trip the people who really do care . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 The OP doesn't understand basic facts. Fact 1 Many more Iraqis of all religions but mostly Muslims had to flee their homeland during the American Christian invasion of that country in 2003. Fact 2 The west has been supporting rebel groups in Syria including ISIS but oppose them in Iraq which is a huge contradiction in policy. Fact 3 Those Iraqis who have fled ISIS have refused to pay tax to ISIS for their protection in ISIS controlled territory. Sunni Muslims will also have to pay tax to ISIS in territory controlled by ISIS. Fact 4 The Maliki regime installed by America during the American occupation of Iraq has been systematically persecuting Sunnis since it has been in power giving rise to ISIS extremism. So if anyone is to blame for the current state if Iraq it's the Bush regime and also the Blair regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbob Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 The OP doesn't understand basic facts. Fact 1 Many more Iraqis of all religions but mostly Muslims had to flee their homeland during the American Christian invasion of that country in 2003. Fact 2 The west has been supporting rebel groups in Syria including ISIS but oppose them in Iraq which is a huge contradiction in policy. Fact 3 Those Iraqis who have fled ISIS have refused to pay tax to ISIS for their protection in ISIS controlled territory. Sunni Muslims will also have to pay tax to ISIS in territory controlled by ISIS. Fact 4 The Maliki regime installed by America during the American occupation of Iraq has been systematically persecuting Sunnis since it has been in power giving rise to ISIS extremism. So if anyone is to blame for the current state if Iraq it's the Bush regime and also the Blair regime. The members of ISIS and their beliefs are to blame for the action they are taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 The OP doesn't understand basic facts. Fact 1 Many more Iraqis of all religions but mostly Muslims had to flee their homeland during the American Christian invasion of that country in 2003. Fact 2 The west has been supporting rebel groups in Syria including ISIS but oppose them in Iraq which is a huge contradiction in policy. Fact 3 Those Iraqis who have fled ISIS have refused to pay tax to ISIS for their protection in ISIS controlled territory. Sunni Muslims will also have to pay tax to ISIS in territory controlled by ISIS. Fact 4 The Maliki regime installed by America during the American occupation of Iraq has been systematically persecuting Sunnis since it has been in power giving rise to ISIS extremism. So if anyone is to blame for the current state if Iraq it's the Bush regime and also the Blair regime. Fact 5 - Muslims of various flavours have been killing each other in Iraq since Saddam was executed. It's more widespread now but it's being going on for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbob Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Fact 5 - Muslims of various flavours have been killing each other in Iraq since Saddam was executed. It's more widespread now but it's being going on for a decade. Just a decade, they were killing each other well before the first gulf war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Just a decade, they were killing each other well before the first gulf war. human beings have been killing each other before religion, as life started do i win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 The members of ISIS and their beliefs are to blame for the action they are taking. If Iraq had bombed and invaded Britain killing and displacing millions causing a break down in law and order which allowed gangs to take control of the streets you would be the first one to blame Iraq. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 21:58 ---------- Fact 5 - Muslims of various flavours have been killing each other in Iraq since Saddam was executed. It's more widespread now but it's being going on for a decade. A break down in law and order causes criminal, sectarian, religious and racial violence. The break down in law and order was caused by America and Britain making the Bush and Blair regimes responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbob Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 If Iraq had bombed and invaded Britain killing and displacing millions causing a break down in law and order which allowed gangs to take control of the streets you would be the first one to blame Iraq. No I'd blame the mindless morons that use it as an excuse to cut people heads off. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 22:02 ---------- The break down in law and order was caused by America and Britain making the Bush and Blair regimes responsible. No it was caused by the religious belief of a bunch of nutters that call them selves ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Just a decade, they were killing each other well before the first gulf war. No they weren't there was no sectarian violence in Iraq prior to the American lead bombing and invasion in 2003. The Saddam regime did fight a war with the Iran and also attack the Kurds but it's important to remember that America was supporting Iraq while this was taking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 If Iraq had bombed and invaded Britain killing and displacing millions causing a break down in law and order which allowed gangs to take control of the streets you would be the first one to blame Iraq. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 21:58 ---------- A break down in law and order causes criminal, sectarian, religious and racial violence. The break down in law and order was caused by America and Britain making the Bush and Blair regimes responsible. Rhubarb. Your giving nutcases a free pass. Law and order, to an extent was put into back into place by the Americans and British forces. There is a Iraqi police force that well equipped and trained. That's been in place for a while. I didn't and still don't agree with the war in Iraq but other countries have come out of such conflicts in far better shape. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 22:10 ---------- No they weren't there was no sectarian violence in Iraq prior to the American lead bombing and invasion in 2003. The Saddam regime did fight a war with the Iran and also attack the Kurds but it's important to remember that America was supporting Iraq while this was taking place. That's because Iraq was controlled with Saddam's iron fist. Is that the only way to govern in the middle east? Past events say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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