firemanbob Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No they weren't there was no sectarian violence in Iraq prior to the American lead bombing and invasion in 2003. The Saddam regime did fight a war with the Iran and also attack the Kurds but it's important to remember that America was supporting Iraq while this was taking place. You forgot the mention that he also invaded Kuwait, and there was Sunni Shia sectarian violence before both Iraq wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No I'd blame the mindless morons that use it as an excuse to cut people heads off. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 22:02 ---------- No it was caused by the religious belief of a bunch of nutters that call them selves ISIS. No you wouldn't you would blame Iraq. It was caused by the Bush and Blair regime. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 22:14 ---------- You forgot the mention that he also invaded Kuwait, and there was Sunni Shia sectarian violence before both Iraq wars. you failed to understand America was supporting him when he was at his worse but invaded and destroyed Iraq in 2003 when he wasn't doing anything. There was no sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbob Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No you wouldn't you would blame Iraq. It was caused by the Bush and Blair regime. ---------- Post added 17-08-2014 at 22:14 ---------- you failed to understand America was supporting him when he was at his worse but invaded and destroyed Iraq in 2003 when he wasn't doing anything. There was no sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003 No I would Blame the religious nutters that think everyone should convert to their religion of die. And yes their was sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003, it wasn't as bad because Saddam had an army to suppress the shias. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was known for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control. Not exactly a utopia was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No I would Blame the religious nutters that think everyone should convert to their religion of die. And yes their was sectarian violence in Iraq before 2003, it wasn't as bad because Saddam had an army to suppress the shias. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was known for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control. Not exactly a utopia was it. Clearly not. But many Iraqis - and I daresay now many Syrians and Kurds - still say it was better than what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I am secular but if Christianity really does get extinguished in Iraq then that would be a terrible thing. Just like some nut zealots trying to destroy Islam in Thailand and the Philippines would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbob Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Clearly not. But many Iraqis - and I daresay now many Syrians and Kurds - still say it was better than what we have now. Saddam death sentence sparks dancing on streets of Baghdad, they was clearly happy that he no longer rules them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Clearly not. But many Iraqis - and I daresay now many Syrians and Kurds - still say it was better than what we have now. oh shut up. How many Kurds do you know? The Kurds did very well out of the 2003 invasion, until now. twelve years ago Kurdish university students kept quiet when all their classmates were up in arms about the Iraq invasion. They were smart. They knew they it would benefit the Iraqi Kurds like them. They have done really well in the past 10 years compared to before. Now ISIS wants to take them and you still want to blame it on the West. Why not blame it on them being the violent Islamist thugs/nuts they are, and fight them on that basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 oh shut up. How many Kurds do you know? The Kurds did very well out of the 2003 invasion, until now. twelve years ago Kurdish university students kept quiet when all their classmates were up in arms about the Iraq invasion. They were smart. They knew they it would benefit the Iraqi Kurds like them. They have done really well in the past 10 years compared to before. Now ISIS wants to take them and you still want to blame it on the West. Why not blame it on them being the violent Islamist thugs/nuts they are, and fight them on that basis? I've got no problems with the notion of fighting ISIS - I think they're a dreadful threat to everything that's right and good. However to pretend that Western intervention over there hasn't poked the hornet's nest is the height of stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I am secular but if Christianity really does get extinguished in Iraq then that would be a terrible thing. Just like some nut zealots trying to destroy Islam in Thailand and the Philippines would be. but its not, everybodys at risk including muslims, IS are brutal and extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I've got no problems with the notion of fighting ISIS - I think they're a dreadful threat to everything that's right and good. However to pretend that Western intervention over there hasn't poked the hornet's nest is the height of stupidity. So are middle east countries better off under dictators/oppressive regimes then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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