JFKvsNixon Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 No it's scriptural to test the word of God ! Totally So if God appeared to you, how would you test him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teeny Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So if God appeared to you, how would you test him? I think if God appeared to you , you would know who he was so no you wouldn't test that but remember nobody has seen God except those who have met him in heaven ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I think if God appeared to you , you would know who he was so no you wouldn't test that but remember nobody has seen God except those who have met him in heaven ! So now you say that you would follow Gods wishes if he appeared before you and asked you to do something that you was uncomfortable with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teeny Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So now you say that you would follow Gods wishes if he appeared before you and asked you to do something that you was uncomfortable with? If God appears in front of anyone it will be at the rapture and everyone will know he is God ! So God isn't going to put me or anyone in that position ,it does say in the bible , you cannot see God and and live ( as in on planet earth) but it does say that you will see him in heaven . God isn't going to ask you to anything you cannot do ! He will always make a path for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perplexed Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 If God appears in front of anyone it will be at the rapture and everyone will know he is God ! So God isn't going to put me or anyone in that position ,it does say in the bible , you cannot see God and and live ( as in on planet earth) but it does say that you will see him in heaven . God isn't going to ask you to anything you cannot do ! He will always make a path for you In your eyes, can your god do no wrong? By the way, you still haven't demonstrated an interrogational approach to the bible. You've denounced criticism of it variously as 'rubbish', or influenced by Satan. Yet you swallow the bits you want to without question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teeny Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 In your eyes, can your god do no wrong? By the way, you still haven't demonstrated an interrogational approach to the bible. You've denounced criticism of it variously as 'rubbish', or influenced by Satan. Yet you swallow the bits you want to without question... God is perfect , he cannot sin , part of faith is accepting the miraculous , accepting the history and accepting truth . It's not a a pick and pay we explain why things change etc , we live in a very different culture than the times we speak of ! You have to remember there is a battle between good and evil in this world ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share Posted May 25, 2015 God is perfect , he cannot sin , part of faith is accepting the miraculous , accepting the history and accepting truth . It's not a a pick and pay we explain why things change etc , we live in a very different culture than the times we speak of ! You have to remember there is a battle between good and evil in this world ! I have real difficulty in understanding this change in culture thing. I accept that slavery for instance was the cultural norm in for example, the Roman Empire. They conquered nations, took their spoils of war which included people as slaves. Your god is watching this slavery go on indifferently, it doesn't even get a mention in the Ten Commandants. Would you therefore agree that your god is happy with slavery at that point? I'll come onto my next point after your answer if you don't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teeny Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I have real difficulty in understanding this change in culture thing. I accept that slavery for instance was the cultural norm in for example, the Roman Empire. They conquered nations, took their spoils of war which included people as slaves. Your god is watching this slavery go on indifferently, it doesn't even get a mention in the Ten Commandants. Would you therefore agree that your god is happy with slavery at that point? I'll come onto my next point after your answer if you don't mind. I think whatever I say snail boy about the culture at that time ! Man created that culture because he had free will God doesn't want us to be slaves etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdom Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I have real difficulty in understanding this change in culture thing. I accept that slavery for instance was the cultural norm in for example, the Roman Empire. They conquered nations, took their spoils of war which included people as slaves. Your god is watching this slavery go on indifferently, it doesn't even get a mention in the Ten Commandants. Would you therefore agree that your god is happy with slavery at that point? I'll come onto my next point after your answer if you don't mind. Just a bit of info on the slavery laws of the mosaic law. Consider the following regulations included in the Law given through Moses: ● Kidnapping a man and then selling him was punishable by death. (Exodus 21:16) However, if despite all the provisions made to prevent poverty, an Israelite found himself deeply in debt, perhaps as a result of poor management, he could sell himself as a slave. In some cases he might even be able to earn a surplus by which he could redeem himself.—Leviticus 25:47-52. ● This was not the oppressive kind of slavery that has been common in many lands through the ages. Leviticus 25:39, 40 says: “In case your brother grows poor alongside you and he has to sell himself to you, you must not use him as a worker in slavish service. He should prove to be with you like a hired laborer, like a settler.” So this was a loving provision to care for Israel’s poorest. ● A person found guilty of stealing who was unable to make full restitution according to the Law could be sold as a slave and in this way pay off his debt. (Exodus 22:3) When he had worked off the debt, he could go free. ● Cruel and abusive slavery was not allowed under God’s Law to Israel. While masters were allowed to discipline their slaves, excesses were forbidden. A slave killed by his master was to be avenged. (Exodus 21:20) If the slave was maimed, losing a tooth or an eye, he was set free.—Exodus 21:26,*27. ● The maximum time that any Israelite would have to serve as a slave was six years. (Exodus 21:2) Hebrew slaves were set free in the seventh year of their service. The Law demanded that every 50 years all Israelite slaves were to be set free nationwide, regardless of how long the individual had been a slave.—Leviticus 25:40,*41. ● When a slave was released, the master was required to be generous toward him. Deuteronomy 15:13, 14 says: “In case you should send him out from you as one set free, you must not send him out empty-handed. You should surely equip him with something from your flock and your threshing floor and your oil and winepress.” Later, in the days of Jesus and his apostles, slavery was an entrenched practice in the Roman Empire. As Christianity spread, it was inevitable that individuals who were slaves and others who were slave owners would come in contact with the good news and become Christians. Neither Jesus Christ himself nor his apostles preached a gospel of social liberation, as if trying to reform the existing system. Rather, both slaves and slave owners were admonished to love one another as spiritual brothers.—Colossians 4:1; 1*Timothy 6:2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share Posted May 25, 2015 Just a bit of info on the slavery laws of the mosaic law. Consider the following regulations included in the Law given through Moses: ● Kidnapping a man and then selling him was punishable by death. (Exodus 21:16) However, if despite all the provisions made to prevent poverty, an Israelite found himself deeply in debt, perhaps as a result of poor management, he could sell himself as a slave. In some cases he might even be able to earn a surplus by which he could redeem himself.—Leviticus 25:47-52. ● This was not the oppressive kind of slavery that has been common in many lands through the ages. Leviticus 25:39, 40 says: “In case your brother grows poor alongside you and he has to sell himself to you, you must not use him as a worker in slavish service. He should prove to be with you like a hired laborer, like a settler.” So this was a loving provision to care for Israel’s poorest. ● A person found guilty of stealing who was unable to make full restitution according to the Law could be sold as a slave and in this way pay off his debt. (Exodus 22:3) When he had worked off the debt, he could go free. ● Cruel and abusive slavery was not allowed under God’s Law to Israel. While masters were allowed to discipline their slaves, excesses were forbidden. A slave killed by his master was to be avenged. (Exodus 21:20) If the slave was maimed, losing a tooth or an eye, he was set free.—Exodus 21:26,*27. ● The maximum time that any Israelite would have to serve as a slave was six years. (Exodus 21:2) Hebrew slaves were set free in the seventh year of their service. The Law demanded that every 50 years all Israelite slaves were to be set free nationwide, regardless of how long the individual had been a slave.—Leviticus 25:40,*41. ● When a slave was released, the master was required to be generous toward him. Deuteronomy 15:13, 14 says: “In case you should send him out from you as one set free, you must not send him out empty-handed. You should surely equip him with something from your flock and your threshing floor and your oil and winepress.” Later, in the days of Jesus and his apostles, slavery was an entrenched practice in the Roman Empire. As Christianity spread, it was inevitable that individuals who were slaves and others who were slave owners would come in contact with the good news and become Christians. Neither Jesus Christ himself nor his apostles preached a gospel of social liberation, as if trying to reform the existing system. Rather, both slaves and slave owners were admonished to love one another as spiritual brothers.—Colossians 4:1; 1*Timothy 6:2. Oh, that's okay then. It was perfectly okay to own another person as property. How could I have been so wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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