SnailyBoy Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 the reason for the wording at revelation of time is clear by an understanding of the word used in greek : καιρός (kairos) Strong: G2540 GK: G2789 pr. fitness, proportion, suitableness; a fitting situation, suitable place, 1 Pet. 4:17; a limited period of time marked by a suitableness of circumstances, a fitting season, 1 Cor. 4:5; 1 Tim. 2:6; 6:15; Tit. 1:3; opportunity, Acts 24:25; Gal. 6:10; Heb. 11:15; a limited period of time marked by characteristic circumstances, a signal juncture, a marked season, Mt. 16:3; Lk. 12:56; 21:8; 1 Pet. 1:11; a destined time, Mt. 8:29; 26:18; Mk. 1:15; Lk. 21:24; 1 Thess. 5:1; a season in ordinary succession, equivalent to ὥρα, Mt. 13:30; Acts 14:17; in NT a limited time, a short season, Lk. 4:13; simply, a point of time, Mt. 11:25; Lk. 13:1 ---------- Post added 10-06-2015 at 10:23 ---------- A carefull reading of Matthew chapter 24 in any translation of the bible will help you to see the approximate time Notice that in verse 14 it says there would be a worldwide preaching work taking place at this time ! Matthew 24:14 (Contemporary English Version) "When the good news about the kingdom has been preached all over the world and told to all nations, the end will come " The question is the end of what ? End of believing something without evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The question is the end of what ? The end of cults that break up families? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdom Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 The end of cults that break up families? http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/couples-parents/ Lots of information here that help build up families , a cult proceeds with its own interests which is usually power , control or money . Jehovahs witnesses are not a cult but Christians who wish to live by the positive standards layed out in the bible. A cult is destructive or deceptive not looking to help people but just take from people . (Isaiah 48:17) New Living Translation This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is good for you and leads you along the paths you should follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/couples-parents/ Lots of information here that help build up families , a cult proceeds with its own interests which is usually power , control or money . Jehovahs witnesses are not a cult but Christians who wish to live by the positive standards layed out in the bible. A cult is destructive or deceptive not looking to help people but just take from people . (Isaiah 48:17) New Living Translation This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is good for you and leads you along the paths you should follow. Would you be happy for your children and partner to live life has atheists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/couples-parents/ Lots of information here that help build up families , a cult proceeds with its own interests which is usually power , control or money . Jehovahs witnesses are not a cult but Christians who wish to live by the positive standards layed out in the bible. A cult is destructive or deceptive not looking to help people but just take from people . If the Jehovah's witness' are not a cult and just a church then how come there are so many support groups set up by people whose experience as part of your sinister cult was so harrowing they refer to themselves as 'survivors'? http://ex-jw.com/sick-of-it https://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/ http://www.silentlambs.org/ https://www.facebook.com/jwsurvivors.org That's just the ones I found after 5 seconds on google, I'm sure there are plenty more. Nice organisations who treat their members well don't tend to have 'survivors groups' springing up from people who've left. That's the kind of thing that only happens with cults. You are in a cult, it makes me sad that you can't see that. You have my sympathy and I hope you get out one day and it doesn't tear your family apart. Edited June 21, 2015 by flamingjimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/couples-parents/ Lots of information here that help build up families , a cult proceeds with its own interests which is usually power , control or money . Jehovahs witnesses are not a cult but Christians who wish to live by the positive standards layed out in the bible. You mean laid out in their own corrupted version of the bible! A cult is destructive or deceptive not looking to help people but just take from people . This explains why it is a cult. http://www.cultwatch.com/jw.html And..What would be your comments on this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33201010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwhine Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 (Isaiah 48:17) New Living Translation This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is good for you and leads you along the paths you should follow. (The Return of the King) The Lord Of The Rings This is what J. R. R. Tolkien said---Frodo took the one ring to Mordor and destroyed it (with a little help from Sam and Gollum). Can you spot the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdom Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Would you be happy for your children and partner to live life has atheists? If that is the choice they make i wouldnt be happy but i would respect there decision. ---------- Post added 27-06-2015 at 08:02 ---------- If the Jehovah's witness' are not a cult and just a church then how come there are so many support groups set up by people whose experience as part of your sinister cult was so harrowing they refer to themselves as 'survivors'? http://ex-jw.com/sick-of-it https://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/ http://www.silentlambs.org/ https://www.facebook.com/jwsurvivors.org That's just the ones I found after 5 seconds on google, I'm sure there are plenty more. Nice organisations who treat their members well don't tend to have 'survivors groups' springing up from people who've left. That's the kind of thing that only happens with cults. You are in a cult, it makes me sad that you can't see that. You have my sympathy and I hope you get out one day and it doesn't tear your family apart. All i can say is from my personal experience Jehovahs witnesses are a very loving and supportive organisation . I am well aware of certain groups and individuals that for there own personal reasons follow the witnesses around and try to pick faults with them i tend to find them very bitter dishonest people (from personal experience). I do notice that the websites they promote tend to have a lot of advertising on them which if im not wrong generates revenue . I dont believe the help they supposedly offer is of any use whatsover and in no way matches the help the bible can give in guidance as i believe its from our creator. ( 2 Timothy 3:16) " All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness " ---------- Post added 27-06-2015 at 08:06 ---------- (The Return of the King) The Lord Of The Rings This is what J. R. R. Tolkien said---Frodo took the one ring to Mordor and destroyed it (with a little help from Sam and Gollum). Can you spot the difference? Yes one is a reality and the other is fiction ---------- Post added 27-06-2015 at 08:14 ---------- You mean laid out in their own corrupted version of the bible! This explains why it is a cult. http://www.cultwatch.com/jw.html And..What would be your comments on this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33201010 The bible itself answers what should happen to such a person ( 1 corinthians 5:13) “.Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” ---------- Post added 27-06-2015 at 08:31 ---------- If the Jehovah's witness' are not a cult and just a church then how come there are so many support groups set up by people whose experience as part of your sinister cult was so harrowing they refer to themselves as 'survivors'? http://ex-jw.com/sick-of-it https://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/ http://www.silentlambs.org/ https://www.facebook.com/jwsurvivors.org That's just the ones I found after 5 seconds on google, I'm sure there are plenty more. Nice organisations who treat their members well don't tend to have 'survivors groups' springing up from people who've left. That's the kind of thing that only happens with cults. You are in a cult, it makes me sad that you can't see that. You have my sympathy and I hope you get out one day and it doesn't tear your family apart. A little back ground for you , my dad used to be a Jehovahs Witness he no longer chooses to be one .My mum used to be a Jehovahs witness but no longer chooses to be one , they split up when i was 16 and my sister was 13 ( about 4 years after they stopped being Jehovahs witnesses and applying bible principles) They both remarried and both of my step parents who had never been Jehovahs witnesses viewed me and my sister as excess baggage, I left home and made my own way at 17 and my sister was left on her own at 14. I still have contact with both my parents but my step parents attitudes havent changed a great deal and THEY limit contact with ME. Jehovahs witnesses continually tried to help my parents before it all went wrong i remember it well . So forgive me for saying that if you want to know the facts dont be so gullible as to believe everything you read on the internet or at times even the news , why ? because it is very often distorted from the actual reality . As i said earlier if you want the facts go to the horses mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) If that is the choice they make i wouldnt be happy but i would respect there decision. But would you use emotional blackmail and cut all ties with them for their decision? Here's a survey asking practising and former JWs whether the shunning practise destroys families. It found 76% of former JWs are being shunned by their families. 90% of those are shunned because they are no longer JWs. 76% justify shunning because it's their cult's policy. http://taze.co/2015/06/15/jehovahs-witnesses-shunning-family-survey/ The shunning practise destroys families. I am well aware of certain groups and individuals that for there own personal reasons follow the witnesses around and try to pick faults with them i tend to find them very bitter dishonest people (from personal experience). Where there's smoke, there's usually a fire. Those groups and individuals aren't spending their time exposing the problems within your cult without good reason. Many of those groups or individuals are victims of your cults practises and policies. Here's a video from a JW conference where a couple are applauded for shunning their child who left the faith. http://rutube.ru/video/bb1018e6aebbf0a3350b31a25781755f/?ref=logo Here's another. A student explaining how the JW cult isolates and destroys families. And how the cult has affected her and others. Stop pretending your cult doesn't damage families. It does. I do notice that the websites they promote tend to have a lot of advertising on them which if im not wrong generates revenue . Websites usually cost money to run. They have to make their revenue somehow. They generally don't have the platform and wealth that JW organisations have where they put out expensive videos like this soliciting for money: http://rutube.ru/video/9cdbc434535c85bc047de629b9afb7d6/?ref=logo "A small donation from each of many of Jehovah’s people adds up to a large amount of dedicated funds that can be used powerfully by Jehovah’s organization. Yes, we can honor Jehovah with our valuable things, including the financial support of True Worship." Or costly animated propaganda videos like this encouraging children to give their money to the JW organisation: http://rutube.ru/video/a8e49828a5ef804ab8f4aae2559ea415/?ref=logo So, from the horses mouth, to Truly Worship Jehovah you must give the JW organisation your valuables. Hmmm... bet none of those websites you criticise put out comparative videos stating "to truly not worship Jehovah you must give me your money". Guessing quite a few of those running those sites don't wear expensive suits, too. Edited June 27, 2015 by Ryedo40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 And..What would be your comments on this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33201010 The bible itself answers what should happen to such a person ( 1 corinthians 5:13) “.Remove the wicked person from among yourselves. Yes but the Bible also states that Christians should also uphold the law and not ignore it. The person doing sexual abuse should have been reported and not just prayed for and forgiven. Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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