Tony Blair named 'philanthropist of the year' by GQ magazine

[clinteastwoo]

You couldn't make it up.

 

If Hitler was alive today Tony Blair would have missed it by a whisker.

[Mecky]

Come on pal,I'm sure even the most die hard Labour supporter couldn't ignore the fact that Blair has blood on his hands:roll:

Don't be fooled by his latest title of "middle east peace envoy",the title "grubby little deal maker" would have been a more appropriate title.

 

So why is he a war criminal?

 

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Don't be silly Clouseau, you're not exactly renowned for your Sherlock Holmesian powers of deduction.

 

what, and you are?

 

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He's on about everything that is wrong with the Labour Party, every time they get into power they ruin the economy, spend spend spend, with no thought of where the money is coming from.

 

If you are young and have never heard of the Winter of Discontent, check it out.

 

And no matter what Milliband says, they are still in the pockets of the Unions.

 

OK, why have Labour ruined the economy? How do you explain that over the last 4.5 years borrowing is up and the deficit has widened?

[Alan Ladd]

That's a rather partisan perspective I have to say....I personally think Roy Jenkins was the best Home Secretary since 1945, by a country mile; and John Major was not betrayed by his party.

And when you say 'failing to control the banks', isn't it a free market economy?

 

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You forgot to mention Iain Duncan Smith, "the quiet man" (or perhaps you didn't forget)

 

IDS never fought Blair in an election, therefore we never had the option to vote for or against him.

 

Roy Jenkins was a truly brilliant man, an intellectual of the first order, whilst a member of the Labour party he was at heart a Liberal and ended up a distinguished member of that party. However, his actions in government led to the opening of our borders, our subservience to Europe and the diminishment of our influence in the near, middle and far east. In office a disaster, in the lofty heights of the intelligentsia, a giant.

 

Regulation of the banks supersedes the free market, always did, always should, Brown and Balls were the people who let the Banks go insane, Major understood them and controlled them far more firmly than Labour or indeed Thatcher.

 

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So why is he a war criminal?

 

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what, and you are?

 

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OK, why have Labour ruined the economy? How do you explain that over the last 4.5 years borrowing is up and the deficit has widened?

 

Labour ruined the economy by letting the banks go mad. Labour borrowed more than they could afford. Labour sold the gold for rock bottom prices, Labour wasted billions in seeking to improve public services by throwing borrowed money at them. The list goes on.

 

Blair was PM through most of this, Blair lied to parliament about the 45 minutes, Blair invented the "dodgy dossier", Blair sucked up to the worst US President in history in order to ingratiate himself to enhance his future earnings. Blair is directly responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqis and is indirectly responsible for the situation we currently face.

 

Re the Tories and the current situation, we now lead the western world in the strength and speed of the recovery, whilst the essentially socialist EEC falls back into recession we thrust forward. It is predicted that if we continue on this course we will overtake Germany economically by 2030.

 

In other words Tory policies work.

[LeMaquis]

IDS never fought Blair in an election, therefore we never had the option to vote for or against him.

 

Roy Jenkins was a truly brilliant man, an intellectual of the first order, whilst a member of the Labour party he was at heart a Liberal and ended up a distinguished member of that party. However, his actions in government led to the opening of our borders, our subservience to Europe and the diminishment of our influence in the near, middle and far east. In office a disaster, in the lofty heights of the intelligentsia, a giant.

 

The Tories got rid of IDS because otherwise 2005 would have been a repeat of 1997 and 2001 for them.

 

I'd like you to explain Jenkins' role in our subservience to Europe and the diminishment of our influence abroad. He only held 3 offices in government - Chancellor, Home Secretary and Aviation - and none of those would have allowed him to do what you suggest.

 

Let me remind you that it was Heath who took us into the EEC and Thatcher who signed the Single Market Treaty.

 

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Regulation of the banks supersedes the free market, always did, always should, Brown and Balls were the people who let the Banks go insane, Major understood them and controlled them far more firmly than Labour or indeed Thatcher.

 

Labour ruined the economy by letting the banks go mad.

 

Under Major we had Black Wednesday in 1992 after which Major's government limped along for 5 years until the Tories were smashed in 1997.

 

Deregulation started in 1986 with Thatcher's Big Bang. Even Nigel Lawson admitted that had an impact on the 2007-8 banking crisis. Blair and Brown just carried on where the Tories had left off and Brown admitted his banking deregulation has also been a mistake.

[Mecky]

The Tories got rid of IDS because otherwise 2005 would have been a repeat of 1997 and 2001 for them.

 

When did the tories get rid of IDS? You mean job wise? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Duncan_Smith

[LeMaquis]

OK, why have Labour ruined the economy? How do you explain that over the last 4.5 years borrowing is up and the deficit has widened?

 

How is what has happened since 2010 an argument against what happened under Labour? Under Brown's government the economy shrank for about 5 or 6 consecutive quarters. What has happened since 2010 doesn't change that.

 

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When did the tories get rid of IDS? You mean job wise? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Duncan_Smith

 

Yes, as leader. He was leading them to a third consecutive disaster. Howard improved their position, cutting the Labour majority by about 100.

 

IDS was also stupid enough to support the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

[Mecky]

How is what has happened since 2010 an argument against what happened under Labour? Under Brown's government the economy shrank for about 5 or 6 consecutive quarters. What has happened since 2010 doesn't change that.

 

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Yes, as leader. He was leading them to a third consecutive disaster. Howard improved their position, cutting the Labour majority by about 100.

 

IDS was also stupid enough to support the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

 

Yeah, but the world crashed in 2008, that wasn't Labour's fault. In fact crash started before 2008, maybe around 2006 when I could see something bad was about to happen.

[Alan Ladd]

The Tories got rid of IDS because otherwise 2005 would have been a repeat of 1997 and 2001 for them.

 

I'd like you to explain Jenkins' role in our subservience to Europe and the diminishment of our influence abroad. He only held 3 offices in government - Chancellor, Home Secretary and Aviation - and none of those would have allowed him to do what you suggest.

 

Let me remind you that it was Heath who took us into the EEC and Thatcher who signed the Single Market Treaty.

 

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Under Major we had Black Wednesday in 1992 after which Major's government limped along for 5 years until the Tories were smashed in 1997.

 

Deregulation started in 1986 with Thatcher's Big Bang. Even Nigel Lawson admitted that had an impact on the 2007-8 banking crisis. Blair and Brown just carried on where the Tories had left off and Brown admitted his banking deregulation has also been a mistake.

 

Re Roy Jenkins, may I refer you to Peter Hitchens book "The Abolition of Britain"? Hitchens does not do a hatchet job on Jenkins and is indeed complimentary regarding his time as Chancellor. It is as Home Secretary that his liberality went too far, too fast. The legalization of homosexuality, the ending of corporal punishment, hanging, All highly laudable but because of the speed he introduced them he created a permissive, dependent society which we now see in its fulfillment.

 

His time in Europe was spent in preparing for the introduction of the Euro, which, thank god due to Black Wednesday, we kept well away from.

 

As Chancellor he was responsible for withdrawing funding for armed services and withdrawing militarily from certain areas were, had we stayed stability would have been more likely. BUT, overall, a good man, who tried and largely succeeded in much that he did. Compared to the minnows that now populate the Westminster stream he was a very large presence indeed.

 

Your other comments, although I might take issue with you regarding the context, I actually largely agree with you.

 

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Yeah, but the world crashed in 2008, that wasn't Labour's fault. In fact crash started before 2008, maybe around 2006 when I could see something bad was about to happen.

 

Why didn't you tell us?

[Mister M]

Re Roy Jenkins, may I refer you to Peter Hitchens book "The Abolition of Britain"? Hitchens does not do a hatchet job on Jenkins and is indeed complimentary regarding his time as Chancellor. It is as Home Secretary that his liberality went too far, too fast. The legalization of homosexuality, the ending of corporal punishment, hanging, All highly laudable but because of the speed he introduced them he created a permissive, dependent society which we now see in its fulfillment.

 

His time in Europe was spent in preparing for the introduction of the Euro, which, thank god due to Black Wednesday, we kept well away from.

 

As Chancellor he was responsible for withdrawing funding for armed services and withdrawing militarily from certain areas were, had we stayed stability would have been more likely. BUT, overall, a good man, who tried and largely succeeded in much that he did. Compared to the minnows that now populate the Westminster stream he was a very large presence indeed.

 

Your other comments, although I might take issue with you regarding the context, I actually largely agree with you.

 

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Why didn't you tell us?

 

Re Roy Jenkins, and the decriminialisation of homosexuality, and the abolition of the death penalty. The fact that he introduced these humane reforms in the face of opposition from the gutter press just goes to show how visionary he was. Michael Howard, on the other hand kowtowed to the gutter press during the introduction of Section 28 in the 1980s, playing along with their homophobic agenda. It was only when cultural opinion changed on homosexuality in the 1990s early 2000s, did he admit that he got it wrong, hmmm very convenient. The coward! Must that 'something of the night' quality that Ann Widdicombe noticed in him. The speed in which Jenkins introduced those visionary reforms has nothing to do with the creation of a permissive, dependent society. Peter Hitchens is often interesting, but he is often wrong.

With regards to dependency, very few people even recognised the term underclass in 1979, but they all knew what it was in 1997 when Howard's governemnt was kicked out of office.

[truman]

Yeah, but the world crashed in 2008, that wasn't Labour's fault. .

 

Apart from Brown being happy with treating the banks at arms' legnth Labour's problem was that they'd done a Viv Nicholson and spent, spent, spent so when the rainy day came there was nothing to fend it off with..