Zamo Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 And Again: Around half of Merseyside-based escorts advertising on one adult website come from Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Baltic countries. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eastern-european-prostitutes-outnumbering-scouse-3152524#ixzz3CLosp8wt Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook 51% would be around half. It is also most. 50 or 51% doesn't make much difference. Still shows the massive crime problem that as come from uncontrolled immigration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 51% would be around half. It is also most. 50 or 51% doesn't make much difference. Still shows the massive crime problem that as come from uncontrolled immigration Just make escorts illegal then............problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 How does it give a 'boost' to the economy? The trade is and always has been there. All it does is distort the stats and make historical comparisons impossible. It also neglects the negative aspects re the financial strain this crime puts on the public purse. Not to mention the social problems. But you don't care... anything that can put a positive spin on uncontrolled mass immigration is good. Exactly, the illegal drugs cost the UK billions, more than the figures of the positive spin this government is trying to put on the situation. Of course, they definitely wouldn’t want us to be so aware of that, because they would have to come up with answers as to why it is so out of control. Blatant undermining of people’s intelligence. It just demonstrates the utter contempt this government has for the people. From 2009 (worse now) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5115189/Illegal-drugs-cost-the-country-16bn-a-year-says-charity-Transform.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Exactly, the illegal drugs cost the UK billions, more than the figures of the positive spin this government is trying to put on the situation. Of course, they definitely wouldn’t want us to be so aware of that, because they would have to come up with answers as to why it is so out of control. Blatant undermining of people’s intelligence. It just demonstrates the utter contempt this government has for the people. From 2009 (worse now) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5115189/Illegal-drugs-cost-the-country-16bn-a-year-says-charity-Transform.html Unfortunately it isn't just this government it is just 'government'. They're all at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Of course, they definitely wouldn’t want us to be so aware of that, because they would have to come up with answers as to why it is so out of control. Everybody knows the answer to that one,it doesn't need a government to come up with any..............it's because loads of people want to take drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Exactly, the illegal drugs cost the UK billions, more than the figures of the positive spin this government is trying to put on the situation. Of course, they definitely wouldn’t want us to be so aware of that, because they would have to come up with answers as to why it is so out of control. Blatant undermining of people’s intelligence. It just demonstrates the utter contempt this government has for the people. From 2009 (worse now) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5115189/Illegal-drugs-cost-the-country-16bn-a-year-says-charity-Transform.html Yep, legalise them, stop spending police time on them and tax them. Then they'll make us billions instead. ---------- Post added 04-09-2014 at 15:40 ---------- 51% would be around half. It is also most. 50 or 51% doesn't make much difference. Still shows the massive crime problem that as come from uncontrolled immigration Are you confusing selling escort services with something illegal? You're not a) assuming escort = prostitute and b) labouring under the misapprehension that prostitution is illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 Unfortunately it isn't just this government it is just 'government'. They're all at it. It is under this government that the nonsense has been implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Yep, legalise them, stop spending police time on them and tax them. Then they'll make us billions instead. Not opposed to the idea myself but still won't happen any time soon. The general public wouldn't support it and will not support a party that does... deal breaker. Are you confusing selling escort services with something illegal? You're not a) assuming escort = prostitute and b) labouring under the misapprehension that prostitution is illegal? You should take a break from SF Cyclone... you're in danger of becoming one of the resident SF miereneukers. Selling sex isn't technically illegal but soliciting is, as is pimping, running a brothel etc. Irrelevant to the point I was making anyway. The point is that suddenly recognising sex work and drug dealing as trade within the economy doesn't provide any economic 'boost'. It is an exercise in stat manipulation is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Will they not make appropriate adjustments when making comparisons year on year? I've not heard them declare a 2% increase in GDP over night due to changing the measurements. They can (just one solution) for the purposes of historical comparison continue to produce the 'old' numbers alongside the new. Or they can also estimate and back fill the historical levels for the new measurement technique. Statisticians deal with this sort of thing all the time. ---------- Post added 05-09-2014 at 07:33 ---------- Not opposed to the idea myself but still won't happen any time soon. The general public wouldn't support it and will not support a party that does... deal breaker. Dutch swearing, way to get around the filter. You think these are inconsequential details, the fact that prostitution isn't illegal and escorts aren't necessarily prostitutes. I'd say that the entire point you were making about illegal activity and immigrants rests on these 'little details'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Will they not make appropriate adjustments when making comparisons year on year? I've not heard them declare a 2% increase in GDP over night due to changing the measurements. They can (just one solution) for the purposes of historical comparison continue to produce the 'old' numbers alongside the new. Or they can also estimate and back fill the historical levels for the new measurement technique. Statisticians deal with this sort of thing all the time. It remains nothing more than statistical manipulation. GDP should be based on trade that you want to encourage on the basis that GDP is view as 'the more the better'. There are so many negatives associated with the illegal running of the prostitution and drug trade that it makes it inappropriate to include as part of the GDP calculation. It should be done at the same time as legalising, regulating and taxing the trade... should that day ever come. Dutch swearing, way to get around the filter. You think these are inconsequential details, the fact that prostitution isn't illegal and escorts aren't necessarily prostitutes. I'd say that the entire point you were making about illegal activity and immigrants rests on these 'little details'. Yes, couldn't resist the Dutch swearing. I heard it used a couple of months ago and have been dying to use it myself... love the expression. Yes, detail comes into it but only when it comes to considering how to legalise, regulate and tax the trade. The detail isn't material to the decision to include as part of GDP. The fact remains that this is not an exercise in improve the quality or accuracy of statistics by including a new types of trade. It is an exercise in manipulating statistics that was started by the EU to increase GDP and lower the ratio of debt to GDP... a delusional fiddle to get round their own rule re indebtedness. This government have no doubt seized on the opportunity to show how much immigration adds to the economy (as it is clear the Tories have failed to controlled immigration any better than Labour) but the contribution of Eastern Europeans who are prolific in the organised crime sector should not be dressed up as respectable (it remains sordid, violent and exploitative) and welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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