David Haines & Alan Henning have been murdered.

[Mecky]

I think people are forgetting Cameron and Hague were desperate to arm and equip IS the other month, now they're desperate to send troops in after them.

[charmer]

True. Ive been looking into it recently and its horrifying. I wont even go into some of the rituals and traditions they have and still carry out today. Its stone age stuff and has no place in todays world but theres always someone who is ready to jump to their defence and say anyone who dosent agree is intolerant or bigoted. Thankfully thats changing now and people are far more likely to criticise islam in general without the same fear of reprisal.

 

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How is this statement relevant to todays problems?

 

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Wow! Cant get disagree without shouting. How grown up.

 

What have you been "looking in to"? What sources have you used? I will also ask you to "go into" some of the rituals they still have today.

 

There is plenty to criticise Islam for, especially the dogmatic way in which it demands it's follows to adhere to confusing scripture and Sunnah. I am not ignorant because I know what I am taking about, every post you have made on this topic makes you look ignorant. This is not because you criticise Islam, but because they way you do it is devoid of facts.

 

Whilst Muhammad was a military man, the spreading of Islam was a lot less violent than the spreading of Christianity. More often than not, the prophet did not order forced conversions of conquered people. Instead citizens were given the option. If they chose to retain their faith they were protected by Muslim soldiers and permitted to build places of worship in exchange for paying an extra tax, typically at 2.5%, known as the Jizya.

[firemanbob]

What have you been "looking in to"? What sources have you used? I will also ask you to "go into" some of the rituals they still have today.

 

There is plenty to criticise Islam for, especially the dogmatic way in which it demands it's follows to adhere to confusing scripture and Sunnah. I am not ignorant because I know what I am taking about, every post you have made on this topic makes you look ignorant. This is not because you criticise Islam, but because they way you do it is devoid of facts.

 

Whilst Muhammad was a military man, the spreading of Islam was a lot less violent than the spreading of Christianity. More often than not, the prophet did not order forced conversions of conquered people. Instead citizens were given the option. If they chose to retain their faith they were protected by Muslim soldiers and permitted to build places of worship in exchange for paying an extra tax, typically at 2.5%, known as the Jizya.

 

That sounds like a protection racket, they will protect people in exchange for a fee, but if they refuse to pay the fee or convert to Islam in this case, they will be attacked by the very people offering to protect them.

 

And I don't recall any stories about Jesus spreading the word of God by using violence, or demanding tax from those that chose not to share his opinions.

[charmer]

That sounds like a protection racket, they will protect people in exchange for a fee, but if they refuse to pay the fee or convert to Islam in this case, they will be attacked by the very people offering to protect them.

 

And I don't recall any stories about Jesus spreading the word of God by using violence, or demanding tax from those that chose not to share his opinions.

 

I suppose it is a protection racket. The sick, religious leaders, women, the homeless and the old were all excluded from this tax. Nor too different from the system we use today.

 

The reason you have not heard of Jesus not doing that is because you are naively comparing the role of Jesus and Muhammed and believing them to be the same. Muhammed was more like an early Pope, Jesus is the Messiah according to both religions.

 

Start comparing the acts of the Papal States to Muhammed and you will be on the right track.

[firemanbob]

I suppose it is a protection racket. The sick, religious leaders, women, the homeless and the old were all excluded from this tax. Nor too different from the system we use today.

 

The reason you have not heard of Jesus not doing that is because you are naively comparing the role of Jesus and Muhammed and believing them to be the same. Muhammed was more like an early Pope, Jesus is the Messiah according to both religions.

 

Start comparing the acts of the Papal States to Muhammed and you will be on the right track.

 

According to Islam they were both Prophets of God, Islam doesn't consider Jesus to be the son of God, just another messenger of God. I don't think any pope has ever claimed to be a Prophet of God, I doubt that any Muslims will consider Mohammad to the equivalent of the Pope.

[Ricicle]

What have you been "looking in to"? What sources have you used? I will also ask you to "go into" some of the rituals they still have today.

 

FGM, Thighing to name just two.

[charmer]

According to Islam they were both Prophets of God, Islam doesn't consider Jesus to be the son of God, just another messenger of God. I don't think any pope has ever claimed to be a Prophet of God, I doubt that any Muslims will consider Mohammad to the equivalent of the Pope.

 

I didn't say Islam considered Jesus to be the son of God, but they do consider him to be the Messiah.

Mohammad is more like early Popes and early Christian leaders such as Constantine purely in the context we were discussing, the roles they played in spreading early Christianity.

 

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FGM, Thighing to name just two.

 

FGM is a vile thing and I wholeheartedly agree that it should be stopped. The matter is more complicated though as "FGM" is ill defined. Any mutiliation of the clitoris is considered FGM, from small incissions to the removal of the whole clitoris. At the lowest end it is as impacting as male circumcision at the highest end it is an abhorrence.

An indefinable percentage of cases then can be ranked alongside the Jews and Americans in how they treat their young boys (I think all non-medical circumcision should be banned).

 

However, more importantly, FGM is really an African tradition, predating Islam by thousands of years. It is practiced regularly in countries of Christian dominance, such as Ethiopia, but more so in Islamic countries. However, it was being practiced in these countries before either religion came along.

 

Please now start commenting on how disgusted you are at African Culture.

 

Thighing is vile but practiced around the world by many Asian cultures, not just Islam.

 

 

If I were you I would "look into" things more.

[firemanbob]

I didn't say Islam considered Jesus to be the son of God, but they do consider him to be the Messiah.

Mohammad is more like early Popes and early Christian leaders such as Constantine purely in the context we were discussing, the roles they played in spreading early Christianity.

 

No he isn't, he is the founding member of Islam and the direct link between their God and the Quran, without Mohammad the Quran wouldn't exist nor would Islam, he is revered by 1.6 billion people, how many Christians revere Constantine and try to follow his examples, not many would be my guess.

[charmer]

No he isn't, he is the founding member of Islam and the direct link between their God and the Quran, without Mohammad the Quran wouldn't exist nor would Islam, he is revered by 1.6 billion people, how many Christians revere Constantine and try to follow his examples, not many would be my guess.

 

Why stop short of highlighting the important bit?

 

I am not talking about the role they play in the religion now, but what happened in the spreading of the religions, especially the violence from the leaders of the Armies.

 

The point at hand was whether Islam was spread in a violent manner compared to Christianity. I mentioned the Jizya and how Islamic Armies allowed people to practice their own religion.

 

You then said "well Jesus didn't make them do that".

 

I then pointed out the Jesus was not spreading the religion to other lands. The correct comparision to Muhammed in this case would be the early Popes. They are the people who led the armies of Christianity, not Jesus.

 

So when comparing the violence of the early leaders of Islam and Christianity, it would be wrong to use Jesus as the Christian example.

[SevenRivers]

ISIS have been busy beheading people all over Syria for years and more recently for months in Iraq.

 

Now a Brit has had his head cut off, our government decides to do something.