ghost rider Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I have always called myself english and even more importantly a yorkshireman.I have an england sticker in the back window of my car and england flags on my number plates and a proud white rose of yorkshire sticker.I do not recognise the EU personally but before i get lept on it is just my view which i am entitled too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ladd Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I've always been proud of where I come from...until recently. I was born here, grew up here until I was 16. I moved to aus and now have dual nationality (both uk and aus passport). I decided it was time to move back and knuckle down, study, get something behind me. I've always classed myself as a Yorkshire lass through n through! Only to get told that I will be classed as a foreign student if I want to pursue any study. Ehhh? How's that work?! I'm a national, I have a uk birth cert, I grew up here, uk passport...apparently this doesn't count for anything anymore! I assume it means you will not be able to receive any form of grant or loan from the UK government, as you have moved to another country I support that stance. What would happen if you were born in Australia and the circumstances reversed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lectrolove Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Don't understand this pride thing. Being from somewhere is not an achievement it's an accident of birth, so why would anyone be proud of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fogey Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Don't understand this pride thing. Being from somewhere is not an achievement it's an accident of birth, so why would anyone be proud of it? I guess it has more to do with the idea of the attitude/ environment that has shaped you which are likely perhaps to be prevalent in a given area or across something as wide as an entire nation. You might be proud to be British because of what Britain and the attitude of its population has achieved. You might be ashamed to be British because we were conquerors and subjugators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Don't understand this pride thing. Being from somewhere is not an achievement it's an accident of birth, so why would anyone be proud of it? Quite, could it be a need, a longing, fears, left out, lonely. Ironically most peoples pride in something derives from the achievements of others and as you say..accidents or coincidences. "An Englishman discovered gravity, I'm also English so by definition I'm related to the discovery...I'm proud of that connection because it somehow tenuously ties me in as a discoverer". Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Where you are from is one of the biggest determiners of who you are and what you achieve in life. It's not an "accident of birth" at all. People have worked and fought for centuries to make this country a decent place to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Where you are from is one of the biggest determiners of who you are and what you achieve in life. It's not an "accident of birth" at all. People have worked and fought for centuries to make this country a decent place to live. At what point in your pre birth state did you determine where you were going to be born..and to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I didn't. But the fact that I was born to my parents, in the UK, is a major determiner on me being who I am. So not "random" at all. It's perfectly natural to be proud of being from a great country, and this leads to wanting to continue making the country great so that our children and grandchildren live good lives in turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxleylovely Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I assume it means you will not be able to receive any form of grant or loan from the UK government, as you have moved to another country I support that stance. What would happen if you were born in Australia and the circumstances reversed? The difference between Australia and Britain is that they look after their own...here however, we look after anyone from the EU (or anywhere else), and not our own! My friend couldn't get a grant to go to Uni as she was classed as a dependant, as she was under 25, although she had lived independent of her mother (father deceased) from 17 years old, she worked 3 jobs to live independently and that counted for nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Don't understand this pride thing. Being from somewhere is not an achievement it's an accident of birth, so why would anyone be proud of it? As soon as the word pride was mentioned it was guaranteed one of these posts would appear ..... do you feel the same about gay pride ( I assume that exists because it is celebrated), because being gay is an accident of birth is it not, so do you question it or do you understand it ? People can be proud of what they want ..... pride is a personal thing surely ! For me my loyalty is Family/friends/colleagues Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield England Yorkshire with little bits in between Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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