Ebola - can UK cope in a crisis?

[JFKvsNixon]

It's obvious to you because you want it to support your stance when in fact it does not support your stance, the NHS, CDC and WHO also all disagree with it.

 

Words mean what they mean and changing the meaning in your head to give the impression that it supports your own stance does not help your argument.

 

I also note you completely ignored the exception, visible blood or visible secretion, just because it is visible does not mean you would see it on the door handle you are about to touch.

 

It's not my stance:

 

When commenting upon someone who has Ebola who recently flown CDC says- The risk to "any around that individual on the plane would have been extremely low".

 

When William Schaffner, an infectious diseases specialist at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine was asked how worried someone should be having flown on a plane with someone with Ebola, he said - not very much. He continues -"I am sure they are concerned but the risk is essentially zero," He concludes -

"it's extremely unlikely that someone would catch Ebola from an armrest, a touch-screen television, or a tray,".

 

He qualifies this advice with this statement - "The virus is ferocious in the body but it is a wimp when it is on an inanimate surface, as soon as it has arrived on the inanimate surface it has started to die off."

 

The reference for these quotes is this article from the BBC

[anfisa]

It's not my stance:

 

When commenting upon someone who has Ebola who recently flown CDC says- The risk to "any around that individual on the plane would have been extremely low".

 

When William Schaffner, an infectious diseases specialist at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine was asked how worried someone should be having flown on a plane with someone with Ebola, he said - not very much. He continues -"I am sure they are concerned but the risk is essentially zero," He concludes -

"it's extremely unlikely that someone would catch Ebola from an armrest, a touch-screen television, or a tray,".

 

He qualifies this advice with this statement - "The virus is ferocious in the body but it is a wimp when it is on an inanimate surface, as soon as it has arrived on the inanimate surface it has started to die off."

 

The reference for these quotes is this article from the BBC

 

 

Low but not zero, and unlikely but not imposable. Thanks for confirming what I have said.

 

Now quote him explaining how unlikely it would be for an infected person to sneeze into their hands and then pass it by touch to someone else. And member the Spanish nurse caught Ebola from an inanimate surface.

[JFKvsNixon]

Low but not zero, and unlikely but not imposable. Thanks for confirming what I have said.

 

Now quote him explaining how unlikely it would be for an infected person to sneeze into their hands and then pass it by touch to someone else. And member the Spanish nurse caught Ebola from an inanimate surface.

 

Extremely low, not low. In science very little is impossible. It's not impossible that you won't reply to this post due to you having a stroke or a heart attack, what have you done to prepare for this risk?

 

Although, you'd probably reincarnate and come back as another poster.

 

It's all about risk management, and the risk is described as being extremely unlikely.

[anfisa]

Extremely low, not low. In science very little is impossible. It's not impossible that you won't reply to this post due to you having a stroke or a heart attack, what have you done to prepare for this risk?

 

Although, you'd probably reincarnate and come back as another poster.

 

It's all about risk management, and the risk is described as being extremely unlikely.

 

That's right, if you are sat next to someone with no symptom, now quote him explaining how unlikely you are to catch it off someone with symptoms, bare in mind that quite a few health workers have caught it whilst wearing protective suits. If it is almost impossible to infect someone with Ebola there would be no need for bio hazard suits whilst treating the infected.

[JFKvsNixon]

That's right, if you are sat next to someone with no symptom, now quote him explaining how unlikely you are to catch it off someone with symptoms, bare in mind that quite a few health workers have caught it whilst wearing protective suits. If it is almost impossible to infect someone with Ebola there would be no need for bio hazard suits whilst treating the infected.

 

Don't be so literal.

 

During the period that people would be fit enough to travel, Ebola is extremely unlikely to be passed on. When the infection has taken hold, the body is passing a lot of blood, faeces and vomit, all very infective, hence the need for protective suits.

[anfisa]

Don't be so literal.

 

During the period that people would be fit enough to travel, Ebola is extremely unlikely to be passed on. When the infection has taken hold, the body is passing a lot of blood, faeces and vomit, all very infective, hence the need for protective suits.

 

Ebola symptoms do not instantly immobilise the infectious.

 

Symptoms of Ebola virus disease

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/ebola-virus/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

A person infected with Ebola virus will typically develop a fever, a headache, joint and muscle pain, a sore throat, and intense muscle weakness.

 

These symptoms start suddenly between 2 and 21 days after becoming infected.

 

Diarrhoea, vomiting, a rash, stomach pain and impaired kidney and liver function follow.

 

The patient then bleeds internally, and may also bleed from the ears, eyes, nose or mouth.

 

Ebola virus disease is fatal in 50-90% of cases. The sooner a person is given care, the better the chances that they will survive.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/what-need-to-know-ebola.pdf

 

 

http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/13/london-hospital-in-chaos-after-ebola-patient-walks-into-casualty-4903988/

Britain’s hospitals may be unprepared to deal with an outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus, NHS insiders have claimed, after a suspected sufferer caused chaos in a London A&E ward.

 

Unprepared, ‘panicking’ staff at Lewisham hospital allowed the patient to use communal toilets and to have visitors, despite the risk of infecting others, insiders claimed this weekend.

 

Staff failed to follow correct procedures to deal with the deadly virus, despite high-profile NHS drills supposed to demonstrate that British hospitals are ready.

 

The supposed victim, who had travelled from Sierra Leone, was not transferred to a specialist unit at the Royal Free Hospital, the only fully-equipped ‘Ebola-proof’ isolation unit in the UK.

 

The insider at Lewisham hospital said: ‘The hospital is unprepared. Staff were panicking and scared for their safety.’

 

With this kind of professionalism its a good job he was not infected.

 

 

If this walking Ebola sufferer is not infectious why is there a need for Bio suits?

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/02/health/ebola-outbreak/

Edited December 30, 2014 by anfisa

[JFKvsNixon]

Ebola symptoms do not instantly immobilise the infectious.

 

Symptoms of Ebola virus disease

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/ebola-virus/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

A person infected with Ebola virus will typically develop a fever, a headache, joint and muscle pain, a sore throat, and intense muscle weakness.

 

These symptoms start suddenly between 2 and 21 days after becoming infected.

 

Diarrhoea, vomiting, a rash, stomach pain and impaired kidney and liver function follow.

 

The patient then bleeds internally, and may also bleed from the ears, eyes, nose or mouth.

Ebola virus disease is fatal in 50-90% of cases. The sooner a person is given care, the better the chances that they will survive.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/what-need-to-know-ebola.pdf

 

Doesn't that information back up my claim, that when you're infectious you're highly unlikely to socialise or travel?

 

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http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/13/london-hospital-in-chaos-after-ebola-patient-walks-into-casualty-4903988/

Britain’s hospitals may be unprepared to deal with an outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus, NHS insiders have claimed, after a suspected sufferer caused chaos in a London A&E ward.

 

Unprepared, ‘panicking’ staff at Lewisham hospital allowed the patient to use communal toilets and to have visitors, despite the risk of infecting others, insiders claimed this weekend.

 

Staff failed to follow correct procedures to deal with the deadly virus, despite high-profile NHS drills supposed to demonstrate that British hospitals are ready.

 

The supposed victim, who had travelled from Sierra Leone, was not transferred to a specialist unit at the Royal Free Hospital, the only fully-equipped ‘Ebola-proof’ isolation unit in the UK.

 

The insider at Lewisham hospital said: ‘The hospital is unprepared. Staff were panicking and scared for their safety.’

 

With this kind of professionalism its a good job he was not infected.

 

 

If this walking Ebola sufferer is not infectious why is there a need for Bio suits?

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/02/health/ebola-outbreak/

 

Without some official statement or report this is nothing more than gossip.

[anfisa]

Doesn't that information back up my claim, that when you're infectious you're highly unlikely to socialise or travel?

 

No, lots of people continue with their daily activities whilst suffering symptoms similar to these. And infectious Ebola sufferers usually have to walk to the clinics in Africa because of a lack of ambulances.

 

 

Without some official statement or report this is nothing more than gossip.

 

Which is likely to be correct.

Edited December 30, 2014 by anfisa

[JFKvsNixon]

No, lots of people continue with their daily activities whilst suffering symptoms similar to these. And infectious Ebola sufferers usually have to walk to the clinics in Africa because of a lack of ambulances.

 

You can't compare what infectious people do in Africa to what people do here in this country, it's two completely different sets of circumstances.

 

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Which is likely to be correct.

 

So you are making your judgement based upon the comments of someone who wants to remain anomalous. I'd prefer to know the whole story before passing comment. I guess we have different standards of rigour.

[Bonzo77]

Low but not zero, and unlikely but not imposable. Thanks for confirming what I have said.

 

If that's the back bone of your argument, it's extremely unlikely, but not impossible that you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Chances are low, but not zero, that you won't wake up in the morning.