Ebola - can UK cope in a crisis?

[anfisa]

In a pool of bodily fluids such as blood, or on the skin of the host. Not by someone sneezing in a plane.

 

The evidence is that the virus can survive on dry services but survives longer on most cold services, body fluids once expelled from the body do not dry up instantly and can last unnoticed on surfaces for several days.

 

 

 

The methods of control will be a good healthcare system based upon evidence as opposed to ritual , and quick and safe disposal of the deceased.

 

Not going to work if the person with Ebola is not known about by the healthcare system.

 

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Yes it is highly infectious, but only when the patient is showing severe symptoms of the disease.

 

The things that has caused this outbreak is ignorance within the affected population in Africa about the disease, the lack of a decent healthcare system to treat the disease safely, and extreme poverty and squaller.

 

We do not have these issues within this country so we'd find it a lot easier to control any outbreak.

 

And you do not think there could be ignorance within the a UK population, maybe but not restricted to an illegal population that would likely avoid seeking help and would perhaps live in squalor with others that would be reluctant to seek help, maybe they might even share needles and have sex with each other which can both spread the virus.

[JFKvsNixon]

The evidence is that the virus can survive on dry services but survives longer on most cold services, body fluids once expelled from the body do not dry up instantly and can last unnoticed on surfaces for several days.

 

One of your previous identities produced a link that suggested this, bit the research claimed that is was only relevant to the laboratory environment.

 

I'd also disagree that pools of blood, faeces or vomit could go unnoticed for several days, from someone who had all the severe symptoms of Ebola.

 

Not going to work if the person with Ebola is not known about by the healthcare system.

 

Hence all the need for the publicity, as I said it is understood well that ignorance is a big factor in the spread of Ebola.

[anfisa]

One of your previous identities produced a link that suggested this, bit the research claimed that is was only relevant to the laboratory environment.

 

If a virus can survive on a cold lab dish, what makes you think it can not survive on a cold pain of glass or a cold door handle. Bare in mind that it as not been tested outside the lab because doing so would be stupid.

 

 

I'd also disagree that pools of blood, faeces or vomit could go unnoticed for several days, from someone who had all the severe symptoms of Ebola.

Mucus from spit or a sneeze isn't very visible, sweat is less visible.

 

 

Hence all the need for the publicity, as I said it is understood well that ignorance is a big factor in the spread of Ebola.

 

And there are plenty of very ignorant people in the UK, some do not read the paper, some do not watch TV, some do not have internet access some do not even understand English and some will avoid the health system if they feel sick. We can not rely on controlling it if it arrives, the best defense is to stop it getting here.

[Guest sibon]

 

And there are plenty of very ignorant people in the UK, some do not read the paper, some do not watch TV, some do not have internet access some do not even understand English and some will avoid the health system if they feel sick. We can not rely on controlling it if it arrives, the best defense is to stop it getting here.

 

 

I suggest that you lock yourself in the cellar with some tins of corned beef and some UHT milk.

 

The sane ones amongst us will come and let you know when the terror is over with.

 

See you in August:wave:

[Zamo]

Yes it is highly infectious, but only when the patient is showing severe symptoms of the disease.

 

The things that has caused this outbreak is ignorance within the affected population in Africa about the disease, the lack of a decent healthcare system to treat the disease safely, and extreme poverty and squaller.

 

We do not have these issues within this country so we'd find it a lot easier to control any outbreak.

 

Obviously if someone is oozing blood, faeces and vomit there are more bodily fluids but how much does that increase the risk of infection? How much bodily fluid do you need to come into contact with to get infected? How much weaker is the virus in sweat than blood? All questions that we have no answers to, which means you are making unfounded assumptions.

 

And I am afraid you are wrong that it would be easier to contain an outbreak in this country. We may have a vastly superior healthcare system but we also live in a densely populated and highly mobile country. If there is an outbreak then there will be no containing it. I'll conceded that we have not reached the point where we can justify napalming the entire affected regions but we have reached the point where we need to introduce quarantine procedures.

[anfisa]

I suggest that you lock yourself in the cellar with some tins of corned beef and some UHT milk.

 

The sane ones amongst us will come and let you know when the terror is over with.

 

See you in August:wave:

 

Why would I want to do that?

 

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Obviously if someone is oozing blood, faeces and vomit there are more bodily fluids but how much does that increase the risk of infection? How much bodily fluid do you need to come into contact with to get infected? How much weaker is the virus in sweat than blood? All questions that we have no answers to, which means you are making unfounded assumptions.

 

And I am afraid you are wrong that it would be easier to contain an outbreak in this country. We may have a vastly superior healthcare system but we also live in a densely populated and highly mobile country. If there is an outbreak then there will be no containing it. I'll conceded that we have not reached the point where we can justify napalming the entire affected regions but we have reached the point where we need to introduce quarantine procedures.

 

Very little, if touching a glove that touched an infected person is enough to infect you, then touching a door handle that is contaminated with the bodily fluids of an infected person must also be enough to infect you.

I don't imagine for one moment that all the health workers that have become infected became infected after a patient puked in the mouth.

[Bonzo77]

Panic! Panic! Please, everyone, panic! Do as you're told!!

[anfisa]

Panic! Panic! Please, everyone, panic! Do as you're told!!

 

Why?

[Zamo]

I suggest that you lock yourself in the cellar with some tins of corned beef and some UHT milk.

 

The sane ones amongst us will come and let you know when the terror is over with.

 

See you in August:wave:

 

People are not overestimated the risk... you are underestimating the consequences and therefore what is an appropriate response. An outbreak in this country wound be catastrophic and we therefore need to apply extreme caution in managing the risk regardless of how unlikely it is.

 

Quarantining is now appropriate because existing measures to prevent cases entering the country in an uncontrolled way have not worked.

[JFKvsNixon]

Obviously if someone is oozing blood, faeces and vomit there are more bodily fluids but how much does that increase the risk of infection? How much bodily fluid do you need to come into contact with to get infected? How much weaker is the virus in sweat than blood? All questions that we have no answers to, which means you are making unfounded assumptions.

 

I'm sorry, I thought you said you had read up on Ebola, there are answers to your basic questions about Ebola. Read up again on the mainstream medical websites.

 

If the body is oozing liquids, then this is a seriously increased risk to healthcare providers, because these fluids will need cleaning. In Africa, there is little healthcare so the care is often provided by family and friends, hence the risk is a lot higher.

 

The amount of fluids needed to get infected is quite small, but that fluid has to enter your bloodstream. Ebola is not an airborne virus, unlike the flu or a cold and it doesn't live as long outside the host that flu or a cold does.

 

The important thing is that, for Ebola to be present in the respiratory tract or in sweat the patient would be very ill and they would be showing severe symptoms of Ebola, this is known, and these symptoms would stop you socialising.

 

 

And I am afraid you are wrong that it would be easier to contain an outbreak in this country. We may have a vastly superior healthcare system but we also live in a densely populated and highly mobile country. If there is an outbreak then there will be no containing it. I'll conceded that we have not reached the point where we can justify napalming the entire affected regions but we have reached the point where we need to introduce quarantine procedures.

 

We would defiantly find it easier to treat Ebola, for lots of reasons.

 

 

• Firstly we are not ignorant to what causes it, and we can take precautions against what causes it.
   
  
• We put safety ahead of rituals, so we wouldn't allow someone who has died of Ebola to lay in rest, in someones house whist the family carries out their traditional death rituals.
   
  
• When people get ill here they go to their medical trained doctor, not their local witch doctor.
   
  
• We have a healthcare system to look after the ill, it is not the responsibility of family and friends to take of the care of the sick and needy.
   
  
• We don't have the same levels of squaller and poverty as they do in West Africa.
   
  
• We don't have problems with people eating raw or poorly cooked bushmeat.
  

 

 

As I said, Ebola isn't an airborne virus, if you're that way inclined they're the ones that we need to frightened of. Hence the worry that the scientists had over swine and bird flu. Look at the damage that the influenza outbreak just after WW1 caused, so this is the direction that we need to be looking.