Midwifes' are to strike 13/10/14

[taxman]

Meanwhile senior tories have admitted that NHS reforms, pushed through despite not being in either Tory or LibDem manifestos, have been a mistake that has cost at least £5billion a year.

 

Although some people have got very wealthy out of the reforms, mainly private companies, Tory donors and Tory cronies.

 

Link from The Times - (only part available)

[tinfoilhat]

Meanwhile senior tories have admitted that NHS reforms, pushed through despite not being in either Tory or LibDem manifestos, have been a mistake that has cost at least £5billion a year.

 

Although some people have got very wealthy out of the reforms, mainly private companies, Tory donors and Tory cronies.

 

Link from The Times - (only part available)

 

It's shame the whole thing wasn't available. The Nhs did/does need reform and it does waste millions and millions - you don't need to be a Tory (which I'm not )to see that. But it's gone pearshaped and begs the question is it even possible to reform it on a national level? Is it just too big to do?

[RootsBooster]

This is an emotive issue, but at a time of national austerity the offer on the table is not that bad. Many in the private sector, whose taxes pay for the NHS and whose companies taxed profits also contribute, have had an effectively frozen pay situation for years.

 

The government policy is working, after the Labour catastrophe has been tackled, the deficit is down and we are in sight of its elimination, the economy is growing faster than any other mature economy.

 

I for one hope that the midwives and others, restrain their action a little longer. Better times are coming, as long as, at the next general election, we vote Tory.

The offer on the table is only half the grumble, it's the politicians awarding themselves 10% while we're all "in it together" that takes the biscuit.

[Alan Ladd]

The MPs pay is a major irritation I agree, but to compare the situation is like comparing apples and oranges. The expenses abuses lead to a re configuration of how MPs are remunerated and to be fair, just changing the expenses situation did leave them considerably worse off.

 

Also we have to consider the quality of people standing for parliament. There is no doubt that the quality, from all parties is at an all time low. Tory boys, Labour apparatchiks and Lib/dem weirdoes seem to infest the place.

 

If we are to have effective governance then we need good people in politics. To get them we need to pay appropriately.

 

Many will say, with some justification, that pay in the NHS needs to be better, its difficult to argue against this, but the reality is you don't get sacked from the NHS, you can get sacked by the electorate, as an MP, therefore there should be some allowance made for job stability.

[geared]

The MPs pay is a major irritation I agree, but to compare the situation is like comparing apples and oranges.

 

You are correct, but unfortunately the two will be directly compared by the general public and it looks incredibly bad for the MP's.

 

With it being so close to a general election having the general public seeing you as a bunch of greedy selfish sods isn't going to win anyone re-election.

[Cuey]

If we are to have effective governance then we need good people in politics. To get them we need to pay appropriately.

 

Man^^.

 

Thats just propaganda pushed by the MPs and CEOs to justify their greed. To get good nurses, midwives, radiologists we need to pay appropriately. The gap between have and have not has increased dramatically. No one could say companies are now better run or our political class as less untrustworthy. Increasing MPs pay won't straighten them out. Closing the door to an Oxbridge entitlement club might though.

[truman]

The offer on the table is only half the grumble, it's the politicians awarding themselves 10% while we're all "in it together" that takes the biscuit.

 

The politicians haven't awarded themselves the rise..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29098334

[tinfoilhat]

You are correct, but unfortunately the two will be directly compared by the general public and it looks incredibly bad for the MP's.

 

With it being so close to a general election having the general public seeing you as a bunch of greedy selfish sods isn't going to win anyone re-election.

 

Ah but it will turn people of politics and voting altogether leaving the current incumbents free to do what they like. I reckon the turn out at the next election will be a record low.

[JFKvsNixon]

This is an emotive issue, but at a time of national austerity the offer on the table is not that bad. Many in the private sector, whose taxes pay for the NHS and whose companies taxed profits also contribute, have had an effectively frozen pay situation for years.

 

The government policy is working, after the Labour catastrophe has been tackled, the deficit is down and we are in sight of its elimination, the economy is growing faster than any other mature economy.

 

I for one hope that the midwives and others, restrain their action a little longer. Better times are coming, as long as, at the next general election, we vote Tory.

 

I think that the current offer on the table for a lot of the staff is 0%, do you really believe that this isn't a bad offer?

[taxman]

If we are to have effective governance then we need good people in politics. To get them we need to pay appropriately.

 

 

You could pay MPs a million a year, you'd still get the same incompetents being elected. Why should high pay for MPs guarantee quality but the same not apply to nurses, midwives, care workers, teachers, civil servants etc etc etc