janie48 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 How is it an imposition? Who is inconvenienced or endangered by women wearing a burka? It's very easy to find accounts from women who choose to wear the burka, go and read some. Educate yourself. A patient in Hospital could be more then inconvenienced by a member of staff wearing the burka with regard to communication. Yes it is easy to hear or read accounts from those women who choose to wear it if they have the freedom to do so, but you will be very unlikely to hear any accounts from those where that freedom is denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yes it is easy to hear or read accounts from those women who choose to wear it if they have the freedom to do so, but you will be very unlikely to hear any accounts from those where that freedom is denied. Which is why the solution's in education and addressing abusive behaviour rather than banning a mode of dress which will do nothing to ameliorate the condition of those women. In fact as well as alienating women who do wear it by choice, banning it could make the position of abused women worse as their male abusers would simply seek new methods with which to subjugate them. I'm also concerned by the missionary zeal with which some detractors approach this issue. Many have no social or emotional investment in Muslim burka wearers, yet seek to superimpose their own view of what's appropriate onto the lifestyles of others, which is easily done if the outcome has no negative consequences to the disgruntled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 but he has shown how wearing the burka is not one of equality. ( I wonder why some people cant see it) No he hasn't, because he can't, because it isn't inequality to allow everyone to wear what they wish. QED he's wrong. ---------- Post added 09-11-2014 at 10:50 ---------- Yes it is easy to hear or read accounts from those women who choose to wear it if they have the freedom to do so, but you will be very unlikely to hear any accounts from those where that freedom is denied. So how can freeing some women from being forced to wear something justify forcing other women to wear something else? You can't improve by freedom by denying people freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 A patient in Hospital could be more then inconvenienced by a member of staff wearing the burka with regard to communication. Surgeons and theatre nurses routinely wear garments that leave only their eyes uncovered and they seem to manage alright. Yes it is easy to hear or read accounts from those women who choose to wear it if they have the freedom to do so, but you will be very unlikely to hear any accounts from those where that freedom is denied. So you think that because a small number may feel some compulsion to wear it we should deny the freedom to choose to everyone? Seems like a very poor reason to me. Some women may be pressured by their menfolk into wearing 'sexy' clothing; many women choose to present themselves in that way - should we ban 'sexy' clothes? Of course not. Some men forbid their wives and partners from talking to other men; many women choose to talk to other men. Should we ban all women from talking to men other than their husbands or partners? No. Your argument is a nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The people defending Burkas on the grounds of personal choice and freedom are often the same types that also want page 3 banned regardless of the fact that the women posing enjoy and want to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw47 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 No he hasn't, because he can't, because it isn't inequality to allow everyone to wear what they wish. QED he's wrong. Sigh . Are you incapable of understanding that an allowance is currently being made for a minority because they are not thought to be a big enough problem at present? Should everyone - or even a large enough proportion of the general public - decide to disguise themselves in public it would be banned. Try to think this through, imagine the impact upon the police in trying to do their job, imagine the situation where bystanders who are witness to a crime are asked to give descriptions. Imagine the impact upon shopping malls attempts to provide security? I take it you are not a football fan? Because if you were you would be aware that any fan approaching the ground on match day with their face covered is ordered to uncover it by the police. Not only that, but the police then proceed to take a picture of the fans face, clear proof that your assertion that everyone can wear what they want is wrong. QED pal There are banning orders issued against certain fans preventing them being in the vicinity of football grounds before and after games. How do you propose the police could manage that with everyone in disguise? Only someone with a blissful unawareness as to how the real world works would think commonplace disguises would be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The people defending Burkas on the grounds of personal choice and freedom are often the same types that also want page 3 banned regardless of the fact that the women posing enjoy and want to do it. For that anecdote to have any discussion significance you need to share your thoughts on tabloid soft porn Alan Hartley..and I don't mean the stuck together pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 This thread has been more off topic than it has on. What do people think about the question raised by the OP - is it acceptable for non-Muslims to wear the burka? From the video link provided it would appear that at least some Muslims don't think so. Are the Muslims in the clip representative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 No he hasn't, because he can't, because it isn't inequality to allow everyone to wear what they wish. QED he's wrong. ---------- Post added 09-11-2014 at 10:50 ---------- So how can freeing some women from being forced to wear something justify forcing other women to wear something else? You can't improve by freedom by denying people freedom. at the start of this thread it shows some ozzies dressed in the burka and some muslim guys getting a little heated under the collar (is that inequality) also when a burka clad woman turns up at the airport/bank etc she can unveil her face only to a woman officer/member of staff again isn't that inequality:roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Sigh . Are you incapable of understanding that an allowance is currently being made for a minority because they are not thought to be a big enough problem at present? Should everyone - or even a large enough proportion of the general public - decide to disguise themselves in public it would be banned. ..and using your own logic, whilst it remains a 'minority' it shouldn't present a problem, should it because a 'large proportion of the general public' dont wear it. ---------- Post added 09-11-2014 at 11:22 ---------- at the start of this thread it shows some ozzies dressed in the burka and some muslim guys getting a little heated under the collar (is that inequality) ..and the Muslim men are wrong or do you agree with them? ---------- Post added 09-11-2014 at 11:23 ---------- This thread has been more off topic than it has on. What do people think about the question raised by the OP - is it acceptable for non-Muslims to wear the burka? From the video link provided it would appear that at least some Muslims don't think so. Are the Muslims in the clip representative? Doesn't matter what they are, their view has no legal basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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