Bonzo77 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 business is business. These properties were bought as an investment to make maximum profit from. private business`s arnt charities. What's going to happen to the families? Their kids? Will they live close enough to work once they're forced out of the area? Or does none of this matter as long as the multimillionaire businessmen can get maximum ? What's going to happen about affordable housing in London in the long term? What about when this crisis spills out to the rest of the UK and this kind of greed starts to affect people you actually know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 business is business. These properties were bought as an investment to make maximum profit from. private business`s arnt charities. And yet you buy dodgy fags which disadvantage legitimate business in order to enrich criminals? That's the problem with pro extreme capitalists, it's so messed up it doesn't know right from wrong. On the whole Capitalism can and does work, but presently it suffers from cancer. You are part of that cancer. There's the argument that those who are rich are envied (jealous) by the poor, yes that can have substance, but ironically some of the poor damn other poor for their envy of the rich because they equally aspire to them. The real bummer is, with 7.2 billion people living on the planet, the chances of you becoming rich is slim, almost negligible (best keep buying those euro tickets). The world economy has become a casino economy. The notion of reward contextually is,.. you start at the bottom and scale the ladder over a lifetime, building enough to sustain as a due reward for your accomplishments. But now if you adopt this approach there's a name for you.. sucker! The new blueprint is instantaneous wealth. Set up a business, go public, and pocket half a billion dollars in a few years. The problem is the system works 99.9% against, not in favour of you achieving that. Would you buy a house with the probability that its foundations were 99.9% fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 And yet you buy dodgy fags which disadvantage legitimate business in order to enrich criminals? That's the problem with pro extreme capitalists, it's so messed up it doesn't know right from wrong. On the whole Capitalism can and does work, but presently it suffers from cancer. You are part of that cancer. There's the argument that those who are rich are envied (jealous) by the poor, yes that can have substance, but ironically some of the poor damn other poor for their envy of the rich because they equally aspire to them. The real bummer is, with 7.2 billion people living on the planet, the chances of you becoming rich is slim, almost negligible (best keep buying those euro tickets). The world economy has become a casino economy. The notion of reward contextually is,.. you start at the bottom and scale the ladder over a lifetime, building enough to sustain as a due reward for your accomplishments. But now if you adopt this approach there's a name for you.. sucker! The new blueprint is instantaneous wealth. Set up a business, go public, and pocket half a billion dollars in a few years. The problem is the system works 99.9% against, not in favour of you achieving that. Would you buy a house with the probability that its foundations were 99.9% fragile. Oh, well said! I couldn't agree with you more. Particularly your first paragraph. Some people have a very flexible approach to morals when it comes to their own behaviour, yet are the first to jump on the moral lapses of anyone they consider beneath them. We see it time and time again with establishment figures and the present members of Parliament in particular. Morality seems to be an optional extra these days, and we are all the poorer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Oh, well said! I couldn't agree with you more. Particularly your first paragraph. Some people have a very flexible approach to morals when it comes to their own behaviour, yet are the first to jump on the moral lapses of anyone they consider beneath them. We see it time and time again with establishment figures and the present members of Parliament in particular. Morality seems to be an optional extra these days, and we are all the poorer for it. Hear Hear!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Incidently, for anybody interested, there is a programme on TV tomorrow evening, called 'How rich are you?' (Monday 10th November, Channel 4, 8.0pm.) 'Richard Bacon presents an interactive show exploring comparative wealth.' Obviously, I haven't seen it, but it sounds interesting, and may be pertinent to subjects like this. So if you follow threads like this one, you might like to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Incidently, for anybody interested, there is a programme on TV tomorrow evening, called 'How rich are you?' (Monday 10th November, Channel 4, 8.0pm.) 'Richard Bacon presents an interactive show exploring comparative wealth.' Obviously, I haven't seen it, but it sounds interesting, and may be pertinent to subjects like this. So if you follow threads like this one, you might like to watch it. Saw this advertised the other day. Think it could be interesting. I'm wondering where lines is tonight? Hope he didn't get a ban yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If you've run a business you must have avoided tax. I didn't say evaded. If you take advantage of capital allowances, then you are avoiding tax. If they leave, the business will still be there, they will just pay their tax in another country If you're going to talk about legitimate tax avoidance then anyone who uses and ISA or pays into a pension avoids paying tax as well. ---------- Post added 10-11-2014 at 07:37 ---------- That's OK then. Nasally, what their doing; acting with no remorse, no respect or thought for the harm that they're inflicting on innocent people, it's very similar to the mindset of a criminal. So when Ford charges the market rate for a car, or Costa charges it for a coffee, if someone can't afford it, you'd accuse the business of being immoral and having the same mindset as a criminal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 If you're going to talk about legitimate tax avoidance then anyone who uses and ISA or pays into a pension avoids paying tax as well. ---------- Post added 10-11-2014 at 07:37 ---------- So when Ford charges the market rate for a car, or Costa charges it for a coffee, if someone can't afford it, you'd accuse the business of being immoral and having the same mindset as a criminal? Bad analogy. There's no coffee crisis, people can go without a Costa. I've never set foot in one! As for the car market, no one is buying up cars and forcing the prices up. Market value in London is a value that only millionaire's can afford. Unfortunately, there's still a lot of working/middle class people still living in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If you're going to talk about legitimate tax avoidance then anyone who uses and ISA or pays into a pension avoids paying tax as well. Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) If you're going to talk about legitimate tax avoidance then anyone who uses and ISA or pays into a pension avoids paying tax as well. But it is the aggressive tax avoidance schemes the PM and HMRC are trying to abolish, where people avoid tax on MILLIONS, as you know full well. Edited November 10, 2014 by poppet2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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