Wheelchair users and prams on public transport, whose priority

[martok]

It's been explained to you many times why it's necessary and why your "not practical" excuses don't matter. So far you've failed to listen or understand though, and I don't expect that will change.

 

Ultimately, the conditions of carriage agree with me and other 92% of people who think the wheelchair user has priority. So you can argue until you're blue in the face, you won't change reality.

And if Cheekster every really refuses to move, she will most likely be thrown of the bus, and she'll deserve it.

 

No one has given a justifiable reason for kicking three toddlers off a bus just so that a disabled person can get on it.

 

Where do you keep getting this rubbish about 92% of people thinking that the wheelchair user has priority over the three toddlers that are already using the space.

[Cyclone]

The reason for "kicking them off" would be "refusal to vacate the area reserved for wheelchairs when asked to do so".

 

It's you who's been making up excuses for why they might refuse.

 

You're posting in a thread that has a question and a poll at the top. And you haven't even managed to look at the results so far?

 

View Poll Results: Who should have priority on public transport?

Wheelchair users 81 91.01%

Parents with prams 3 3.37%

Not sure 5 5.62%

 

Amusing to see you making the appeal to emotion with the constant "three toddlers" twaddle. It's the adult using the space that is the problem, not the toddlers. The adult is the one who needs to remove the children, themself and the pram or pushchair. The toddlers can toddle to a seat when told to do so by the parent.

Edited November 24, 2014 by Cyclone

[martok]

The reason for "kicking them off" would be "refusal to vacate the area reserved for wheelchairs when asked to do so".

 

It's you who's been making up excuses for why they might refuse.

 

You're posting in a thread that has a question and a poll at the top. And you haven't even managed to look at the results so far?

 

A poll of 89 anonymous user names on a forum is hardly evidence that 92% of people support your stance.

 

Its already been explained that it isn't always possible or practical to remove the children from the pram or fold the pram, the only way to vacate the area would be to get off the bus, so basically you are saying get off the bus or you will be kicked off the bus, so again why should three toddlers be expected to get off the bus just so that someone else can get on, and why do you think it is acceptable and humane to kick three toddlers off a bus?

 

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Amusing to see you making the appeal to emotion with the constant "three toddlers" twaddle. It's the adult using the space that is the problem, not the toddlers. The adult is the one who needs to remove the children, themself and the pram or pushchair. The toddlers can toddle to a seat when told to do so by the parent.

 

There is nothing at all amusing about your stance that three toddlers should be kicked off a bus just so someone else can get on, quite frankly its sick. Again you are showing a complete disregard for the safety and welfare of children, I can only assume that you don't have any.

Edited November 24, 2014 by martok

[CatznRatz]

Many people have experienced for themselves,or seen others,taking a pram or pushchair on a bus,but I wonder how many people,without mobility issues have used a wheelchair on a bus just for the experience? I was thinking along the line of 'walk a day in my shoes'. I am not a very confident person but just trying to add my thoughts.

[Cyclone]

A poll of 89 anonymous user names on a forum is hardly evidence that 92% of people support your stance.

 

Its already been explained that it isn't always possible or practical to remove the children from the pram or fold the pram, the only way to vacate the area would be to get off the bus, so basically you are saying get off the bus or you will be kicked off the bus, so again why should three toddlers be expected to get off the bus just so that someone else can get on, and why do you think it is acceptable and humane to kick three toddlers off a bus?

You've made up some terrible excuses why, that's all.

If the adult refuses to move themselves and their children, then they should be removed.

There is nothing at all amusing about your stance that three toddlers should be kicked off a bus just so someone else can get on, quite frankly its sick. Again you are showing a complete disregard for the safety and welfare of children, I can only assume that you don't have any.

 

Yeah, yeah, won't somebody think of the children. Change the record.

[martok]

You've made up some terrible excuses why, that's all.

If the adult refuses to move themselves and their children, then they should be removed.

 

 

Yeah, yeah, won't somebody think of the children. Change the record.

 

Some has too whilst ever people like you think its acceptable to throw them off buses.

[Cyclone]

There's no need to throw them off really is there.

Their parent can simply do as they are required to do, and move out of the wheelchair space.

 

They only get thrown off if their parent refuses to comply with the conditions of carriage.

[Daven]

Aye, whoever is first on the bus should have priority.

 

Some mothers have very low incomes, some are denied a cash income altogether. Female asylum seekers with children are given Azure cards with a roughly £40 a week credit and they cannot spend the card credit on the bus, only with a select few big retailers can they shop.

 

The cost of a bus journey to them might be 100% of their cash income, suppose they were lucky enough to be in receipt of some cash charity via church or some other charitable type of organisation.

 

Suppose the last journey of the day has some problem accommodating passengers, then the bus company should provide a taxi.

 

With current trends, and to make sure public transport is family friendly and the increased use of public transport by the disabled due to the free pass, buses should probably be designed to cope with more disabled passengers and buggies.

 

Whatever the Mothers circumstances, whether they are an asylum seeker, on a low income or in receipt of charitable donations - this does not stop common sense prevailing and her folding her pushchair down on a bus to allow a wheelchair user to get on the bus. It really is very simple and only involves common decency and an appreciation of others problems.

[martok]

There's no need to throw them off really is there.

Their parent can simply do as they are required to do, and move out of the wheelchair space.

 

They only get thrown off if their parent refuses to comply with the conditions of carriage.

 

 

Its already been explained that it isn't always possible or practical to remove the children from the pram or fold the pram, the only way to vacate the area would be to get off the bus, so basically you are saying get off the bus or you will be kicked off the bus, so again why should three toddlers be expected to get off the bus just so that someone else can get on, and why do you think it is acceptable and humane to kick three toddlers off a bus?

 

Whatever the Mothers circumstances, whether they are an asylum seeker, on a low income or in receipt of charitable donations - this does not stop common sense prevailing and her folding her pushchair down on a bus to allow a wheelchair user to get on the bus. It really is very simple and only involves common decency and an appreciation of others problems.

 

Only if you ignore all the possible situations when it isn't very simple.

 

I could just as easily say the disable could easily use a folding wheelchair like they do when they are driving a car with their wheelchair is in the boot. But that also isn't always possible or practical.

Edited November 25, 2014 by martok

[Cheekster]

Whatever the Mothers circumstances, whether they are an asylum seeker, on a low income or in receipt of charitable donations - this does not stop common sense prevailing and her folding her pushchair down on a bus to allow a wheelchair user to get on the bus. It really is very simple and only involves common decency and an appreciation of others problems.

 

You appear to have completely missed the point. The point that some circumstances make it unsafe and impractical to fold down a pram. Did you read the other posts?