barleycorn Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Neil Woods (an undercover officer with 14 years behind him in the drugs squad) said “Nobody should go to prison for taking drugs Agree they should be shot. You think killing people for having fun is amusing? What a strange little person you are. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimescene Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Weird, because several studies show it made no or only a positive difference in Portugal. This article refers to one. In fact, in countries where cannabis use is not criminalised and has not been for a significant time (Portugal and the Netherlands) cannabis users per capita are lower than they are here, 3.3 & 5.4 versus 6.6 respectively. In countries where appropriate therapy and care is offered to hard drug users the ratio of HIV transmission amongst that population is significantly lower than it is elsewhere. There are massive benefits to decriminalising drugs, but people like you prefer to live under a rock and ignore the proof, instead talking of "collapse of society". Benefits besides the factors mentioned: controlled product, the state garners influence on what is sold. The state can actually target specific areas for control - driving under influence being one prime example. The benefit of it being controlled means that the state can levy taxes on it. The ample benefits are massively outweighing the dim view held by antagonists. Time to legalise. You mention (cherrypick) one paper that uses its own cherrypicked data to argue a case of science. Wow, as a PhD chemistry student (specializing in drug analysis) I can safely say your 'research' is bogus. "The state can actually target specific areas for control - driving under influence being one prime example." which they can't do now? and how would legalsing it help? What, they're going to check up on every said and hit the areas that sell it most? As much as you state there are 'massive benefits' there are massive downfalls. As you only chose the one study that 'seems' to say that it is 'okay to smoke cannabis' (of which im sure no bias occurs), I'm assuming you didn't read the thousands that offer insight to the negative effects, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There are numerous studies that show the benefits, none as far as I'm aware that show a net negative affect. But feel free to provide links to such studies if they do exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimescene Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) There are numerous studies that show the benefits, none as far as I'm aware that show a net negative affect. But feel free to provide links to such studies if they do exist. To name a few, as Im not sitting here relisting Science Direct and Sci Finder to you (As google scholar is bias and not useful): Subjective effects of cannabis before the first psychotic episode http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pelle_De_Koning/publications A positive association between anxiety disorders and cannabis use or cannabis use disorders in the general population- a meta-analysis of 31 studies http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/14/136 Residual effects of cannabis use on neurocognitive performance after prolonged abstinence http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22731735 Cannabis-related deficits in real-world memory http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22389086 Legalizing Cannabis: A physician's primer on the pulmonary effects of marijuana." http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13665-014-0093-1 Continued cannabis use and risk of incidence and persistence of psychotic symptoms: 10 year follow-up cohort study. http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d738 And obviously there are many more. By the way "If they do exist"? - you get what you search for. Pretty much sums up how you go about researching things, from one point of view.... Edited February 12, 2015 by crimescene Added Comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 To name a few, as Im not sitting here relisting Science Direct and Sci Finder to you (As google scholar is bias and not useful): Subjective effects of cannabis before the first psychotic episode http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pelle_De_Koning/publications Quote from conclusion:"These results suggest that schizophrenia patients in the prodromal phase and subjects at UHR for psychosis are more sensitive to some negative effects of cannabis, in particular psychotic effects, compared to cannabis users from the general population." A positive association between anxiety disorders and cannabis use or cannabis use disorders in the general population- a meta-analysis of 31 studies http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/14/136 Quote from conclusion: "There was a small positive association between anxiety and either cannabis use" Residual effects of cannabis use on neurocognitive performance after prolonged abstinence http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22731735 Quote from conclusion:"In the first meta-analysis, 33 studies met inclusion criteria. Results indicated a small negative effect for global neurocognitive performance as well for most cognitive domains assessed. Unfortunately, methodological limitations of these studies prevented the exclusion of withdrawal symptoms as an explanation for observed effects. In the second meta-analysis, 13 of the original 33 studies met inclusion criteria. Results indicated no significant effect of cannabis use on global neurocognitive performance or any effect on the eight assessed domains" Cannabis-related deficits in real-world memory http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22389086 Quote from conclusion:"Multivariate analysis of variance revealed cannabis users performed worse overall on the task, with poor performance on the planning, time-based PM and event-based PM subscales. In addition, indices of cannabis (length, dose, frequency, total use) were correlated with performance on these three subscales." Legalizing Cannabis: A physician's primer on the pulmonary effects of marijuana." http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13665-014-0093-1 Quote from conclusion:"Habitual smoking of marijuana is associated with multiple respiratory symptoms such as cough, sputum production, and wheezing .These symptoms are not significantly different from those exhibited by tobacco smokers." Continued cannabis use and risk of incidence and persistence of psychotic symptoms: 10 year follow-up cohort study. http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d738 Quote from conclusion: "Cannabis use is a risk factor for the development of incident psychotic symptoms. Continued cannabis use might increase the risk for psychotic disorder by impacting on the persistence of symptoms." And obviously there are many more. By the way "If they do exist"? - you get what you search for. Not much there to show the negative affects though given all these studies. BTW I dont use it but cant see any conclusive evidence that it is harmful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Quote from conclusion:"These results suggest that schizophrenia patients in the prodromal phase and subjects at UHR for psychosis are more sensitive to some negative effects of cannabis, in particular psychotic effects, compared to cannabis users from the general population." Quote from conclusion: "There was a small positive association between anxiety and either cannabis use" Quote from conclusion:"In the first meta-analysis, 33 studies met inclusion criteria. Results indicated a small negative effect for global neurocognitive performance as well for most cognitive domains assessed. Unfortunately, methodological limitations of these studies prevented the exclusion of withdrawal symptoms as an explanation for observed effects. In the second meta-analysis, 13 of the original 33 studies met inclusion criteria. Results indicated no significant effect of cannabis use on global neurocognitive performance or any effect on the eight assessed domains" Quote from conclusion:"Multivariate analysis of variance revealed cannabis users performed worse overall on the task, with poor performance on the planning, time-based PM and event-based PM subscales. In addition, indices of cannabis (length, dose, frequency, total use) were correlated with performance on these three subscales." Quote from conclusion:"Habitual smoking of marijuana is associated with multiple respiratory symptoms such as cough, sputum production, and wheezing .These symptoms are not significantly different from those exhibited by tobacco smokers." Quote from conclusion: "Cannabis use is a risk factor for the development of incident psychotic symptoms. Continued cannabis use might increase the risk for psychotic disorder by impacting on the persistence of symptoms." Not much there to show the negative affects though given all these studies. BTW I dont use it but cant see any conclusive evidence that it is harmful Seems like this is the latest, "Significant link between cannabis use and onset of mania symptoms" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150210160101.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon1 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Politically very difficult in this country. The blind or stupid will continue to believe the nonsense spouted by the tabloids Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Seems like this is the latest, "Significant link between cannabis use and onset of mania symptoms" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150210160101.htm And? Even if that's the case, it's not a reason not to legalise cannabis is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 And? Even if that's the case, it's not a reason not to legalise cannabis is it? No the stink is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Seems like this is the latest, "Significant link between cannabis use and onset of mania symptoms" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150210160101.htm So to come to their conclusion they reviewed the reviews of others and didnt carry out any studies themselves. What an absolute piece of sloppy research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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