Bonzo77 Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 These reports are always a load of rubbish. It's more to do with the type of person that is likely to use cannabis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) It could well be the case that those with psychosis are self medicating with cannabis, but no causality was established (from what Magilla said). Indeed. However, it remains essentially a red herring. Is a possible link between cannabis use and mental ill health in people with a predisposition towards it a valid reason to maintain the status quo? Clearly not. ---------- Post added 16-02-2015 at 12:58 ---------- It's going extremely well in Colarado - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/colorado-is-making-so-much-money-from-cannabis-its-having-to-give-some-back-to-citizens-10020466.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-year-after-marijuana-legalisation-in-colorado-everythings-fine-confirm-police-9989723.html Edited February 16, 2015 by Halibut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The report in the Lancet http://www.thelancet.com/pb/assets/raw/Lancet/pdfs/14TLP0454_Di%20Forti.pdf did say that the study was on people with first episode psychosis..so I assume this means the first time the person has presented with it..I stand to be corrected though..anyway have a read of it.. That doesn't establish causality though, they may have been self medicating for many years to control symptoms before reporting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Night Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 These reports are always a load of rubbish. It's more to do with the type of person that is likely to use cannabis. You're an expert are you' maybe you should contact Kings College London and tell them:loopy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I agree with Cyclone. I'm sure if you pulled together a large group of heavy users of any drug you would find an underlying psychological disorder in many of them. Unfortunately many don't go and see a doctor, and instead turn to the bottle/pill/needle for comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Night Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 You've obviously misread the report, it doesn't show any causality. It says that some people that came to them *already* suffering psychosis smoked a lot of cannabis, not that the cannabis caused the psychosis in the first place. There is no mention of what caused the psychosis in those that didn't use cannabis! The report seems to concern "super strength" strains but even then Sir Robin Murray, professor of psychiatric research at King’s College London, states:- “You’re not going to go psychotic after a couple of puffs, It’s like alcohol – drinking the odd glass of wine is fine, but if you’re drinking a bottle of whisky a day you’re heading for trouble.” So if you're a moderate user, just like alcohol, you won't have any issues. The study found that smoking hash, a less potent form of cannabis, had no association with psychosis. So the underlying problem seems to be that buying from an illegal source you have no idea what you're getting. This report should surely be another reason why cannabis should be sold legally and regulated. Smoking potent cannabis was linked to 24% of new psychosis cases analysed by Kings College London. ---------- Post added 16-02-2015 at 13:22 ---------- I agree with Cyclone. I'm sure if you pulled together a large group of heavy users of any drug you would find an underlying psychological disorder in many of them. Unfortunately many don't go and see a doctor, and instead turn to the bottle/pill/needle for comfort. Oh dear the two wrongs make aright brigade ride again. ---------- Post added 16-02-2015 at 13:25 ---------- Did you mistakenly believe that you had given a stronger counter proof? Is your assertion supposed to be unquestionable? ---------- Post added 15-02-2015 at 11:22 ---------- There's no evidence that decriminalisation increases levels of use or addiction. Cannabis is less addictive than nicotine, alcohol is addictive as well, yet I don't worry about my family becoming addicted to it... ---------- Post added 15-02-2015 at 11:23 ---------- What is post #299 then? You can't even remember what you've posted or why! ---------- Post added 15-02-2015 at 11:24 ---------- And in the future we'll be able to add to that list "attempt to prohibit drug use". Because just like the previous legal mistakes, prohibition will be removed. You're an expert are you' maybe you should contact Kings College London and tell them:loopy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Smoking potent cannabis was linked to 24% of new psychosis cases analysed by Kings College London. ---------- Post added 16-02-2015 at 13:22 ---------- Oh dear the two wrongs make aright brigade ride again. ---------- Post added 16-02-2015 at 13:25 ---------- You're an expert are you' maybe you should contact Kings College London and tell them:loopy: What's your response to the great success of legalisation in Colorado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 These reports are always a load of rubbish. It's more to do with the type of person that is likely to use cannabis. Genuine question..have you read the report in the Lancet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Night Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 You've obviously misread the report, it doesn't show any causality.. So suffering psyhcosis after use of cannabis is a normal condition:huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Just been given out that research by King's College London shows that the use of skunk type Cannabis is the cause of 24% of new psychosis cases. My part about evidence was to do with it being cut with glass, nothing about related psychosis.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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