lines Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 So just to sum your position up. A 1% pay rise, that was awarded by a review panel, but was removed by the government, after around 5 years of not having any pay rises, is a unreasonable expectation? Also one thing is for sure, if midwives just worked the amount of hours that they contracted to and they took their breaks, or claimed the overtime for all the time that they have to stay over. The NHS would be in a really worse place. No... BUT... can we afford it and where is it coming from? Should we borrow more to pay it (prolong this situation) or, what else are we going to cut instead? Oh there's the third option of raising taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) No... BUT... can we afford it and where is it coming from? Should we borrow more to pay it (prolong this situation) or, what else are we going to cut instead? Oh there's the third option of raising taxes. The tax intake by the government has been increasing year on year after the end of the recession. There is a forth option however, become more efficient at collecting all the the taxes due, then the taxes may even be able to drop a little. Edited November 16, 2014 by JFKvsNixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lines Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 The tax intake by the government has been increasing year on year after the end of the recession. There is a forth option however, become more efficient at collecting all the the taxes due, then the taxes may even be able to drop a little. 1. That extra taxation is technically already spent. 2. The forth option is in the future and doesn't cover this / that (current) situation, so we'd need to borrow on assumptions. But yes it would be nice (on both accounts)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) 1. That extra taxation is technically already spent. No it's not. The government makes spending decisions all the time, they are not locked into a spending plan that was devised a couple of years ago. For example, a few months ago they decided not to mothball the second aircraft carrier that they were building, after deciding a few years earlier to to bring it into service. So what has been cut, or what taxes were raised to pay for this? Edited November 16, 2014 by JFKvsNixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lines Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 No it's not. The government makes spending decisions all the time, they are not locked into a spending plan that was devised a couple of years ago. For example, a few months ago they decided not to mothball the second aircraft carrier that they were building, after deciding a few years earlier to to bring it into service. So what has been cut, or what taxes were raised to pay for this? You're right they are not, but are you denying that it must come from somewhere? That something was cut or raised to pay for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 You're right they are not, but are you denying that it must come from somewhere? That something was cut or raised to pay for it... Yea as I said. More people are in employment, so income tax is up and benefits are down. People are spending more so VAT income is up and business taxes income are also up due to more businesses being profitable. The government decides where this money extra money goes. It is not the case that every extra penny spent must come from an extra tax to raise the penny or a penny cut from spending somewhere else. As the economy grows, the government decides where to spend this growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lines Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yea as I said. More people are in employment, so income tax is up and benefits are down. People are spending more so VAT income is up and business taxes income are also up due to more businesses being profitable. The government decides where this money extra money goes. It is not the case that every extra penny spent must come from an extra tax to raise the penny or a penny cut from spending somewhere else. As the economy grows, the government decides where to spend this growth. But with so many things cut, it is an issue as to where things go. Most things however do require a basic fixed cost. As the old saying goes, you can't please all the people all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 But with so many things cut, it is an issue as to where things go. Most things however do require a basic fixed cost. As the old saying goes, you can't please all the people all of the time. No, that is probably why the NHS workers were offered and a measly 1% after years of nothing. It wasn't much, probably nothing more than a token, but it was a token of appreciation. It was the removal of this token of appreciation, an extremely poor piece of politics considering the small amounts of money involved, that led to the first ever strike in midwifery's history in this country. Isn't it funny that it was probably the principle rather than the money that brought them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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