Lotusflower Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Of course. Islamic culture is blighted by extremism and it is impossible to back up such a claim without referring to the acts of extremism. They are peace loving people who perpetuate religious and cultural beliefs that create too many intolerant and violent extremists. They need to stop doing that. All religions and culture produce nutters who are freaks of nature. However, the majority of British born Muslims running off to fight jihad are not deranged freaks of nature but deranged freaks of nurture... their madness has been taught. It is impossible to say with any certainty whether an individual would have turned out different if brought up in a different faith/culture. It is however possible to say with certainty that people brought up in an Islamic culture are far more likely to hold extremist views, and to act on them in a violent way, than people brought up in different culture. Religious extremism is indisputably a far worse problem in Islamic culture than any other. The fact that they do not have a complete monopoly on the problem is irrelevant. We are going to have to agree to differ Zamo. We are not quite poles apart because there are parts of what you say I have no problem with. However, I think it is a big error of comprehension to say that the problem stems from the religion. I stand by what I said about the vast majority of Muslims practising their faith in a peaceful way. As I see it organisations like ISIS, ISIL, Al Queida, etc are full of people who are more in love with extreme violence than Allah. They are people who have broken their connection with humanity and in all my experience and knowledge that makes them insane. Religion is an excuse and not a cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 As I see it organisations like ISIS, ISIL, Al Queida, etc are full of people who are more in love with extreme violence than Allah. You could even lump in the "Christian" Westboro Baptist Church with that lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 You could even lump in the "Christian" Westboro Baptist Church with that lot. That would seem reasonable too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusflower Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 You could even lump in the "Christian" Westboro Baptist Church with that lot. Those people always remind me of a song by the sublime Randy Newman called "Rednecks." The chorus is, "We're rednecks, we're rednecks, we don't know our ass from a hole in the ground, we're redneck, we're rednecks and we are keeping the ******* down." The blanked out word is a reference to African Americans and is a word I refuse to use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Those people always remind me of a song by the sublime Randy Newman called "Rednecks." The chorus is, "We're rednecks, we're rednecks, we don't know our ass from a hole in the ground, we're redneck, we're rednecks and we are keeping the ******* down." The blanked out word is a reference to African Americans and is a word I refuse to use! Dont use a sentence where that word is used then. That way you wont have to make a song and dance about how morally superior you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusflower Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Dont use a sentence where that word is used then. That way you wont have to make a song and dance about how morally superior you are. Coming from you I will treat that remark with the contempt it richly deserves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Coming from you I will treat that remark with the contempt it richly deserves! Thanks for the generic reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusflower Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Thanks for the generic reply. Always happy to oblige! I looked for the emoticon with a halo...but...alas and alack...it does not exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) As I see it organisations like ISIS, ISIL, Al Queida, etc are full of people who are more in love with extreme violence than Allah. They are people who have broken their connection with humanity and in all my experience and knowledge that makes them insane. Religion is an excuse and not a cause. I think it's worse than useless to just write of these people as insane. We learn nothing from that, no understanding, no help at all in preventing things like this happening in the future, you're just writing these people off as humans, I think it's entirely counter productive. ---------- Post added 17-12-2014 at 15:16 ---------- You could even lump in the "Christian" Westboro Baptist Church with that lot. No you couldn't though. How many acts of extreme violence have they committed? You're painting a false equivalence. Edited December 17, 2014 by flamingjimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusflower Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I think it's worse than useless to just write of these people as insane. We learn nothing from that, no understanding, no help at all in preventing things like this happening in the future, you're just writing these people off as humans, I think it's entirely counter productive. ---------- Post added 17-12-2014 at 15:16 ---------- No you couldn't though. How many acts of extreme violence have they committed? You're painting a false equivalence. Re my bold. Say why please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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