Australian coffee shop seige by islamist.

[tzijlstra]

You might not trust you own ability to make judgements and draw conclusions from what see and here but most people do.

 

Where exactly have I ever blamed Muslims for ww1 or ww2 or any of the other terrible things you list? Talk about putting words in people's mouths!

 

My point is absolutely clear. Whilst other cultures can and have been infected by ideological madness, the culture currently most infected is Islamic culture. Islamic culture has a problem with religious extremism like no other culture does. It is nasty and it is a threat to everyone. The only people who can do something about it are the people who practice and pass on the culture. I therefore collectively charge all Muslims as having a responsibility for doing something about it. How can I be any clearer?

 

You are completely missing Mr Fisk's well made point: You call it religious extremism but in actual fact, if you look at these organised movements it is far more akin to civil war than anything else.

 

You are mixing these events into a pot with the few attacks that have been made on the west and tada! violent religion established.

[mumkin]

You are completely missing Mr Fisk's well made point: You call it religious extremism but in actual fact, if you look at these organised movements it is far more akin to civil war than anything else.

 

You are mixing these events into a pot with the few attacks that have been made on the west and tada! violent religion established.

 

Care to re-evaluate your statement

 

irst wave (1968 to 1980):

 

Many countries - Palestinian terror 1968 on.

USA - RFK assassination 1968.

Italy - El Al Flight 426 1968.

Greece - El Al Flight 253 1968.

Switzerland - El Al Flight 432 1969.

Germany - Frankfurt 1969.

UK - Marks and Spencer 1969.

Italy - TWA Flight 840 1969.

UK - Zim shipping 1969.

Belgium - El Al, Brussels 1969.

Greece - El Al, Athens 1969.

 

Germany - Munich airport 1970.

Switzerland - Swissair Flight 330 1970.

Various countries - Dawson's Field hijackings 1970.

Austria - Sabena Flight 571 1972.

Germany - Munich Olympics 1972.

UK - Israeli embassy 1972.

USA - letter bomb 1972.

USA - Hamaas Khaalis 1973.

USA - Stephen Gilroy 1973.

USA - Yosef Alon 1973.

Greece - El Al, Athens 1973.

Holland - Japan Air Lines Flight 404 1973.

Greece - Athens airport 1973.

Austria - train hostages 1973.

Italy - Pan Am Flight 110 1973.

UK - Teddy Sieff 1973.

USA - Zebra killings 1973-74.

UK - London bank 1974.

Greece - TWA Flight 841 1974.

 

France - Paris airport 1975.

Austria - OPEC 1975.

Greece - Entebbe hijacking 1976.

USA - Hanafi Siege 1977.

Spain - Lufthansa Flight 181 1977.

Various countries - poisoned oranges 1978.

France - Paris airport 1978.

UK - London 1978.

Many countries - Iranian terror 1979 on.

France - Paris bombs 1979.

Belgium - Brussels airport 1979.

Austria - Vienna synagogue 1979.

Spain - Max Mazin 1980.

UK - Mohamed Mustafa Ramadan 1980.

Belgium - Yosef Halachi 1980.

Belgium - Antwerp 1980.

Italy - Bologna bombing 1980.

France - Paris synagogue 1980.

 

Under Reagan (1980 to 1988):

 

Italy - Rome airport 1981.

Austria - Heinz Nittel 1981.

Italy - El Al office 1981.

Greece - travel agency 1981.

Italy - Rome airport 1981.

Austria - Israeli embassy 1981.

Austria - Vienna synagogue 1981.

Italy - Ostia 1981.

Belgium - Antwerp synagogue 1981.

France - Christian Chapman 1981.

Germany - Berlin restaurant 1982.

France - Charles Ray 1982.

Italy - El Al office 1982.

France - Israeli embassy 1982.

Austria - French embassy 1982.

UK - Israeli ambassador 1982.

France - Paris restaurant 1982.

Japan - Pan Am Flight 830 1982.

France - Israeli Embassy 1982.

Belgium - Brussels synagogue 1982.

Italy - Rome synagogue 1982.

USA - Daniel Jordan 1982.

Australia - Sydney bombs 1982.

USA - Hotel Rajneesh bombing 1983.

USA - Ahmadi attacks 1983.

France - Paris restaurant 1983.

UK - London 1983.

France - TGV bombing 1983.

Greece - Kenneth Whitty 1984.

UK - Yvonne Fletcher 1984.

 

France - Marks and Spencer 1985.

France - Jewish film festival 1985.

Spain - Torrejon 1985.

Greece - TWA Flight 847 1985.

Germany - Frankfurt Airport 1985.

Spain - Madrid 1985.

Denmark - Copenhagen synagogue 1985.

Germany - Rhein-Main Air Base 1985.

Greece - hotel attack 1985.

Italy - Rome 1985.

Argentina - Jewish kindergarten 1985.

Greece - EgyptAir Flight 648 1985.

Germany - Frankfurt 1985.

France - Paris 1985.

Italy and Austria - Rome and Vienna 1985.

France - Paris bombings 1986.

France - TGV bombing 1986.

France - Paris bombing 1986.

Italy - TWA Flight 840 1986.

Germany - West Berlin 1986.

UK - BA office 1986.

France - Kenneth Marston 1986.

France - Paris bombings 1986.

Germany - U.S. Tempelhof Air Base 1986.

Belgium - Antwerp synagogue 1986.

Switzerland - Air Afrique hijack 1987.

Italy - poisoned grapefruit 1988.

Greece - City of Poros 1988.

UK - Lockerbie 1988.

 

Under Bush (1988 to 1992):

 

Many countries - Salman Rushdie 1989 on.

USA - Rushdie bookshops 1989.

USA - Riverdale Press 1989.

Italy - Rushdie bookshops 1989.

Belgium - Rushdie killings 1989.

UK - Rushdie bookshops 1989.

Norway - Rushdie bookshops 1989.

UK - Rushdie bookshops 1989.

France - Rushdie publisher 1989.

Belgium - Joseph Wybran 1989.

USA - Rashad Khalifa 1990.

Switzerland - Kazem Radjavi 1990.

USA - Meir Kahane 1990.

Australia - Makin Morcos 1991.

Italy - Ettore Capriolo 1991.

Japan - Hitoshi Igarashi 1991.

Hungary - Budapest 1991.

Argentina - Israeli embassy 1992.

 

And for further reading

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for First Part of 2014

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2013

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2012

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2011

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2010

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2009

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2008

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005

 

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004

 

Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003

[Jonny5]

Fact? Based on what- where is the evidence and can you provide a link to it please.

 

Just because you want something to be true and keep saying it- doesn't mean it will become the truth.

 

While I am here may be you can consider these facts:

 

Who started the First World War, which killed 37 million and injured 22, 379, 053 that includes 7 million civilians? Muslims?

• Who started the Second World War, which killed over 60 million, which was over 2.5% of the world population? Muslims?

• Who killed about 20 million of Aborigines in Australia? Muslims?

• Who drop the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed 166,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki? Muslims?

• Who killed more than 100 million Red Indians in North America? Muslims?

• Who killed more than 50 million Indian in South America? Muslims?

•

They weren’t Muslims! First of all, you have to define terrorism properly…. If a non-Muslim does something bad… it is crime. But if a Muslim commits the same, he is a terrorist.

 

So first remove the double standard… then come to the point.

What you are essentially saying is that because Europeans did bad things decades ago so we now need to keep quiet when non-Europeans do bad things.

[mumkin]

What you are essentially saying is that because Europeans did bad things decades ago so we now need to keep quiet when non-Europeans do bad things.

 

That's the way I read it too.

[tzijlstra]

That's the way I read it too.

 

Not quoting the ridiculously long list you posted, but almost exclusively those are attacks by PLO terrorists. They weren't acting because of them being islamists, they were acting because they were a terrorist organisation that felt wronged due to the way the Brits left Palestina in the Jewish question.

[Lotusflower]

You might not trust you own ability to make judgements and draw conclusions from what see and here but most people do.

 

Where exactly have I ever blamed Muslims for ww1 or ww2 or any of the other terrible things you list? Talk about putting words in people's mouths!

 

My point is absolutely clear. Whilst other cultures can and have been infected by ideological madness, the culture currently most infected is Islamic culture. Islamic culture has a problem with religious extremism like no other culture does. It is nasty and it is a threat to everyone. The only people who can do something about it are the people who practice and pass on the culture. I therefore collectively charge all Muslims as having a responsibility for doing something about it. How can I be any clearer?

 

For the avoidance of all doubt will you please clarify my bold by stating exactly what you mean by "it."

Do you mean extremism or Islamic culture?

[ab6262]

For the avoidance of all doubt will you please clarify my bold by stating exactly what you mean by "it."

Do you mean extremism or Islamic culture?

at this moment in time "both" is the correct answer:roll:

[Lotusflower]

at this moment in time "both" is the correct answer:roll:

 

Care to explain why you thought it necessary to put the roll eyes in?

[cancer]

No man has the right to kill another human being. Kill in the name of religion is the worst crime.

[Harrystottle]

Calling islam responsible for the actions of the dissonants is akin to calling Europe a nationalist state that has expansionist ideas. It isn't, but that is what jihadists call it, as do Russians and, amusingly, some Americans.

 

With the EU making advances towards the Ukraine, Georgia etc whilst those states are simultaneously being offered NATO membership, I can quite understand where the Russians are coming from with that one. Remember a few years ago when missiles were placed in Poland pointing at Russia to deal with "rogue states"?