Increased Police Vigilance

[Squiggs]

The problem is that the op seems to think he can run red lights in front of the police and not get stopped. He also seems to think it's perfectly ok to do so but doesn't want the fine that he should get ?

 

Ban cycles from roads I say.

 

 

And my problem is that the OP's actions leads to attitudes such as this

[Starlc]

And my problem is that the OP's actions leads to attitudes such as this

 

Everybody isn't the same granted and maybe I was wrong saying that but I have had to deal with cyclists in London a lot and they are a disgrace and are a danger to themselves.

[Happ Hazzard]

I was just in Amsterdam and the cycle system on roads there is really impressive, doubt it could be replicated in Sheffield just because of the topography but it just shows what can be done. Their trams are far better than the so-called "Super" tram too.

[JFKvsNixon]

The ironic thing about this thread is that there is one poster who openly admits to driving his car in a dangerous manner, passing cyclists too closely and driving around blind bends without due caution, things that do cost lives and it passes almost unnoticed.

[clinteastwoo]

This is mainly for the road users of Sheffield, I have had the pleasure of being stopped twice by the Police in the last ten days for contravening red lights. This is very unusual behavior for the police as in both instances I was on my bicycle. In the last twenty years i have gone through lights at various stages and on plenty of occasions I have done this in the presence of police officers. This time though it was a police van and they actually turned around in the road to come after me. Instead of arguing about how the pressure plates and magnetic strips rarely pick up cyclists and change for them I said that I treated the junction that was controlled by the lights as a give way. It was perfectly safe, I was already stopped at the red light and waited patiently for the opposing traffic to pass before I ventured across the junction and with no other traffic in sight.This did not satisfy them and for a time i actually thought i was going to get a fine!!.

Have the Police been given instructions to get fines for various misdemeanors ?.

I know this is happening in other countries but the police there get to keep the revenue raised through such fines. Does the British police get to keep the money from fines that they issue?

They are getting really vigilant with people using public transport, I have been stopped on a bus loads of times and had a couple of officers check our tickets. When you point out that the bus company is a privatised company and they are paid for by with public funding they get a little shirty and tell you to take it up with someone who cares.

 

So if you pay tax and think the Police should not be working for First buses maybe that's one of you ?

[monkey104]

Police officers do not get on buses to check tickets!

It is obviously PCSO's you see, escorting ticket inspectors as that is part of their remit.

Observation test:

Do they wear peaked caps?

Do they carry handcuffs or batons?

Do the have POLICE COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICER on their hi vis jackets?

 

If the answer is yes, no, yes they are PCSOs.

Edited December 27, 2014 by monkey104

[JFKvsNixon]

They are getting really vigilant with people using public transport, I have been stopped on a bus loads of times and had a couple of officers check our tickets. When you point out that the bus company is a privatised company and they are paid for by with public funding they get a little shirty and tell you to take it up with someone who cares.

 

So if you pay tax and think the Police should not be working for First buses maybe that's one of you ?

 

Maybe the PCSO's are checking for forged tickets, which I am guessing is a crime.

[Cyclone]

The problem is that the op seems to think he can run red lights in front of the police and not get stopped. He also seems to think it's perfectly ok to do so but doesn't want the fine that he should get ?

 

Ban cycles from roads I say.

 

Some drivers think the same.

 

Ban cars I say.

 

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Actually, plenty of people would, and do, object to assisted suicide. Sadly, we live in a world where people like that are listened to and, laws put in place so they can have their 'viewpoints' inflicted on others.

 

The problem you're having in this thread is that a lot of people that if it's a rule, or a law, it must be followed, even if it's an absurd one, or, one that in some circumstances, is absurd.

 

As an aspergic, I've come to the conclusion that this mindset of putting rules at a higher priority than logic/reason, is one of the hindrences of the neurotypical mentality.

 

Certainly, when looked at purely rationally, it's clear that our road system is a joke, as is the way our society lets cyclists be treated, in that all cyclists are at risk of being mown down by motorists, often due to their ineptitude, fact that they're on a mobile, and, a host of other reasons. And, when a cyclist is killed by a motorists ineptitude, chances are they will get away with it.

 

The fact that car drivers will rage about being slowed by a cyclist, when logic shows that the delays are actually due to a gross excess of cars on the road, not cycles is another example of the absolute lack of rationality on this issue.

 

And when cyclists who find tactics to lower the risk to them, such as, in some circumstances, passing through a red light when the way ahead is blatantly clear and safe, and, to remain in front of a pack of irate, tense and rushed drivers in their protective metal boxes (at least a percentage of whom are demonstrably not safe to be anywhere near a cyclist), is clearly putting said cyclist at risk: doesn't matter, cos a rules a rule, a laws a law, and must be obeyed.

 

So, respect to you for vocalising and arguing your point- I know for a fact there's far more cyclists out there who routinely in some circumstances go through reds on the grounds of safety, than is apparent in threads like this.

 

I suspect this is due mainly to them feeling outnumbered by the 'rule-bounds' and fearing being verbally attacked on these threads.

 

I'd suggest they, instead, take the opportunity to speak out here, and we'd probably find the true proportions aren't so much in the favour of the 'rulebounds' as they like to think.

 

And, the thing about 'rule-bounds', is that if it starts to look like they're not in a big majority, they tend to be a lot less vocal.

 

Feel free to start a poll. Lets see what the numbers actually are.

 

How many people think cyclists should be free to ignore the highway code as you think... I predict that it's a minority of the selfish and non neurotypical.

It's selfish behaviour and it leads to attitudes like the one demonstrated by Starlc.

[monkey69]

This is the post i WISH i was capable of writing Many Thanks for taking the time to compose it..

Originally Posted by onewheeldave View Post

Actually, plenty of people would, and do, object to assisted suicide. Sadly, we live in a world where people like that are listened to and, laws put in place so they can have their 'viewpoints' inflicted on others.

 

The problem you're having in this thread is that a lot of people that if it's a rule, or a law, it must be followed, even if it's an absurd one, or, one that in some circumstances, is absurd.

 

As an aspergic, I've come to the conclusion that this mindset of putting rules at a higher priority than logic/reason, is one of the hindrences of the neurotypical mentality.

 

Certainly, when looked at purely rationally, it's clear that our road system is a joke, as is the way our society lets cyclists be treated, in that all cyclists are at risk of being mown down by motorists, often due to their ineptitude, fact that they're on a mobile, and, a host of other reasons. And, when a cyclist is killed by a motorists ineptitude, chances are they will get away with it.

 

The fact that car drivers will rage about being slowed by a cyclist, when logic shows that the delays are actually due to a gross excess of cars on the road, not cycles is another example of the absolute lack of rationality on this issue.

 

And when cyclists who find tactics to lower the risk to them, such as, in some circumstances, passing through a red light when the way ahead is blatantly clear and safe, and, to remain in front of a pack of irate, tense and rushed drivers in their protective metal boxes (at least a percentage of whom are demonstrably not safe to be anywhere near a cyclist), is clearly putting said cyclist at risk: doesn't matter, cos a rules a rule, a laws a law, and must be obeyed.

 

So, respect to you for vocalising and arguing your point- I know for a fact there's far more cyclists out there who routinely in some circumstances go through reds on the grounds of safety, than is apparent in threads like this.

 

I suspect this is due mainly to them feeling outnumbered by the 'rule-bounds' and fearing being verbally attacked on these threads.

 

I'd suggest they, instead, take the opportunity to speak out here, and we'd probably find the true proportions aren't so much in the favour of the 'rulebounds' as they like to think.

 

And, the thing about 'rule-bounds', is that if it starts to look like they're not in a big majority, they tend to be a lot less vocal.

[clinteastwoo]

Police officers do not get on buses to check tickets!

It is obviously PCSO's you see, escorting ticket inspectors as that is part of their remit.

Observation test:

Do they wear peaked caps?

Do they carry handcuffs or batons?

Do the have POLICE COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICER on their hi vis jackets?

 

If the answer is yes, no, yes they are PCSOs.

Your probably correct, what's the difference ?

Are PCSO's paid ?

 

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Maybe the PCSO's are checking for forged tickets, which I am guessing is a crime.

 

I thought it was a crime if one was reported, I see them doing spot checks and don't find one person with a dodgy ticket which to me is like checking peoples doors and windows to see if there has been a burglary.