Does god get fed up of having to forgive sex offenders and murderers ?

[flamingjimmy]

Many years ago there was a healing of a young teacher here in Sheffield she had a leg longer than the other , and was due to have an operation to lengthen the shorter leg , we ll she was prayed for , her leg became very warm and grew , so when she went to hospital they measured for the operation , her legs and they were both the same size yet before that there was a difference , there are miracles like this happening and can be verified but its down to you being open my own mother had a lump in her leg which came and went now in the end of her life that lump came back and was diagnosed but in the time between the lump appearing and going she had time to make provision for her last days ! which she did peacefully.

 

With all due respect, that is not an answer to either question I asked.

 

I'm not very impressed by god making someone's leg slightly longer. I want him to full on grow a leg or arm back, that would really wow me.

 

Are you saying that god can't do it?

 

Or just that he chooses not to? He chooses to only ever heal things that might have got better on their own?

 

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What names has teeny been called?

 

To be honest, Teeny has treated me with contempt, she said that I am a sinner. That is a personal, and quite provocative, suggestion to make. I am not offended as we are discussing a subject on an internet forum, I expect to encounter opinions that run contrary to my way of thinking.

 

To be fair to Teeny and delayed they aren't calling you personally a sinner, they're saying all humans are sinners, including themselves, that's not personal at all.

 

It's incredibly masochistic and unhealthy in my opinion, but I don't see how you can argue it as a personal attack.

[denlin]

 

the ladies name was Dr Gill Creswell she taught at Henry Fanshaw school in dronfield , she passed away I explained that to you I suspect as teeny has spent time away in Zimbabwe didnt know until now ,now somebody who is alive is a lady called Debbie Plura healed from ME fact , she has medical back up for her testimony of healing and yes Teeny also knows her well . read the book then comment on the facts before you . Not pull Teenys and Delayed obvious faith to pieces because you personally don't understand what faith means , well when I get to those pearly white gates I cant say nobody told me about this and I end up in Hell can I ? neither can you I am not been drawn into this discussion which actually really it isn't

 

What is the title of the book and can you produce a transcript of the section where the claim is made? Produce the proof and actually this is the first time I have seen anybodies name mentioned

[teeny]

With all due respect, that is not an answer to either question I asked.

 

I'm not very impressed by god making someone's leg slightly longer. I want him to full on grow a leg or arm back, that would really wow me.

 

Are you saying that god can't do it?

 

Or just that he chooses not to? He chooses to only ever heal things that might have got better on their own?

 

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To be fair to Teeny and delayed they aren't calling you personally a sinner, they're saying all humans are sinners, including themselves, that's not personal at all.

 

It's incredibly masochistic and unhealthy in my opinion, but I don't see how you can argue it as a personal attack.

 

the lady in the book is Debbie Plura and yes I do know her, I used to attend the same church as she did , Yes we are all sinners , do you ever get anything wrong ? because I get things wrong everyday, I am not perfect.

I was trying to back up my evidence and came up with a blank as the lady concerned has passed away which due to the fact I am away a lot and don't mix in that circles I had not been aware that had happened but thankfully somebody on here also knew her and has heard her story , unlike some of you I don't have Google or a search engine on this old pc or my phone so info is often just not there , so you start saying I am ignoring what you have asked and quite clearly you have already had the same answer in the past of this thread . In some ways I am glad that this was pointed out to me this afternoon , this isn't a discussion , its almost like you cant hear whats been said to you

[SnailyBoy]

 

What is the title of the book and can you produce a transcript of the section where the claim is made? Produce the proof and actually this is the first time I have seen anybodies name mentioned

 

Allow me

 

http:// http://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-M-E-Debbie-Plura/dp/1478106425/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

 

Not willing to buy it though.

[flamingjimmy]

same church as she did , Yes we are all sinners , do you ever get I was trying to back up my evidence and came up with a blank as the lady concerned has passed away which due to the fact I am away a lot and don't mix in that circles I had not been aware that had happened but thankfully somebody on here also knew her and has heard her story , unlike some of you I don't have Google or a search engine on this old pc or my phone so info is often just not there , so you start saying I am ignoring what you have asked and quite clearly you have already had the same answer in the past of this thread . In some ways I am glad that this was pointed out to me this afternoon , this isn't a discussion , its almost like you cant hear whats been said to you

 

I'm sorry, but I really don't see how you can argue that you answered either of my questions, as far as I can tell you didn't even attempt to.

 

I asked you "How come God never chooses to heal amputees? Seeing as they're miracles and all that why should it be limited only to things that sometimes heal on their own?"

 

You responded with a story about someones leg apparently getting slightly longer.

 

That is not an answer to 'why doesn't god heal amputees?'

[teeny]

Allow me

 

http:// http://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-M-E-Debbie-Plura/dp/1478106425/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

 

Not willing to buy it though.

 

there's testimonies here too http://www.woodseatshealingrooms.org/links.htm

[SnailyBoy]

there's testimonies here too http://www.woodseatshealingrooms.org/links.htm

 

Yet scientific studies have shown the efficacy of prayer to be no better than chance.

 

So what gives?

[charmer]

the lady in the book is Debbie Plura and yes I do know her, I used to attend the same church as she did , Yes we are all sinners , do you ever get anything wrong ? because I get things wrong everyday, I am not perfect.

I was trying to back up my evidence and came up with a blank as the lady concerned has passed away which due to the fact I am away a lot and don't mix in that circles I had not been aware that had happened but thankfully somebody on here also knew her and has heard her story , unlike some of you I don't have Google or a search engine on this old pc or my phone so info is often just not there , so you start saying I am ignoring what you have asked and quite clearly you have already had the same answer in the past of this thread . In some ways I am glad that this was pointed out to me this afternoon , this isn't a discussion , its almost like you cant hear whats been said to you

 

 

So is getting something wrong or not being perfect considered a sin? The bible says not, what gives you the right to decide what is Sin?

 

 

If you have access to Sheffield Forum, you have access to Google.

 

 

It is amusing that you think it is everyone else that "cant hear whats been said to you". You seem to be the one closed to reasoning and logic, instead relying on half remember stories from your youth. Many people have asked you for proof of what you say, we would love to be proved wrong. If you even gave us a tiny, tiny piece of what could be objectively considered evidence then it would be very well received.

[denlin]

As it is part of a book written by your friend then perhaps you can put the passage on which says this ladies leg actually grew without any medical intervention

[teeny]

I'm sorry, but I really don't see how you can argue that you answered either of my questions, as far as I can tell you didn't even attempt to.

 

I asked you "How come God never chooses to heal amputees? Seeing as they're miracles and all that why should it be limited only to things that sometimes heal on their own?"

 

You responded with a story about someones leg apparently getting slightly longer.

 

That is not an answer to 'why doesn't god heal amputees?'

 

God has never healed an amputee. Who is to say that in the history of the world, God has never caused a limb to regenerate? To say, "I have no empirical evidence that limbs can regenerate; therefore, no amputee has ever been healed in the history of the world" is akin to saying "I have no empirical evidence that rabbits live in my yard; therefore, no rabbit has ever lived on this ground in the history of the world." It’s a conclusion that simply cannot be drawn. Besides, we have the historical record of Jesus healing lepers, some of whom we may assume had lost digits or facial features. In each case, the lepers were restored whole (Mark 1:40-42; Luke 17:12-14). Also, there is the case of the man with the shriveled hand (Matthew 12:9-13), and the restoration of Malchus's severed ear (Luke 22:50-51), not to mention the fact that Jesus raised the dead (Matthew 11:5; John 11), which would undeniably be even more difficult than healing an amputee.

 

God’s goodness and love require Him to heal everyone. Illness, suffering, and pain are the result of our living in a cursed world—cursed because of our sin (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 8:20-22). God’s goodness and love moved Him to provide a Savior to redeem us from the curse (1 John 4:9-10), but our ultimate redemption will not be realized until God has made a final end of sin in the world. Until that time, we are still subject to physical death.

 

If God’s love required Him to heal every disease and infirmity, then no one would ever die—because "love" would maintain everyone in perfect health. The biblical definition of love is "a sacrificial seeking what is best for the loved one." What is best for us is not always physical wholeness. Paul the apostle prayed to have his "thorn in the flesh" removed, but God said, "No," because He wanted Paul to understand he didn’t need to be physically whole to experience the sustaining grace of God. Through the experience, Paul grew in humility and in the understanding of God’s mercy and power (2 Corinthians 12:7-10).

 

The testimony of Joni Eareckson Tada provides a modern example of what God can do through physical tragedy. As a teenager, Joni suffered a diving accident that left her a quadriplegic. In her book Joni, she relates how she visited faith healers many times and prayed desperately for the healing which never came. Finally, she accepted her condition as God’s will, and she writes, "The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that God doesn’t want everyone well. He uses our problems for His glory and our good"

 

God still performs miracles today just as He did in the past. In the thousands of years of history covered by the Bible, we find just four short periods in which miracles were widely performed (the period of the Exodus, the time of the prophets Elijah and Elisha, the ministry of Jesus, and the time of the apostles). While miracles occurred throughout the Bible, it was only during these four periods that miracles were "common."

 

The time of the apostles ended with the writing of Revelation and the death of John. That means that now, once again, miracles are rare. Any ministry which claims to be led by a new breed of apostle or claims to possess the ability to heal is deceiving people. "Faith healers" play upon emotion and use the power of suggestion to produce unverifiable "healings." This is not to say that God does not heal people today—we believe He does—but not in the numbers or in the way that some people claim.

 

We turn again to the story of Joni Eareckson Tada, who at one time sought the help of faith healers. On the subject of modern-day miracles, she says, "Man’s dealing with God in our day and culture is based on His Word rather than ‘signs and wonders’" His grace is sufficient, and His Word is sure.

God is bound to say "yes" to any prayer offered in faith. Jesus said, "I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it" (John 14:12-14). Some have tried to interpret this passage as Jesus agreeing to whatever we ask. But this is misreading Jesus’ intent. Notice, first, that Jesus is speaking to His apostles, and the promise is for them. After Jesus’ ascension, the apostles were given power to perform miracles as they spread the gospel (Acts 5:12). Second, Jesus twice uses the phrase "in My name." This indicates the basis for the apostles’ prayers, but it also implies that whatever they prayed for should be consonant with Jesus’ will. A selfish prayer, for example, or one motivated by greed, cannot be said to be prayed in Jesus’ name.

 

We pray in faith, but faith means that we trust God. We trust Him to do what is best and to know what is best. When we consider all the Bible’s teaching on prayer (not just the promise given to the apostles), we learn that God may exercise His power in response to our prayer, or He may surprise us with a different course of action. In His wisdom He always does what is best (Romans 8:28).

 

God’s future healing (at the resurrection) cannot compensate for earthly suffering. The truth is, "our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us" (Romans 8:18). When a believer loses a limb, he has God’s promise of future wholeness, and faith is "being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see" (Hebrews 11:1). Jesus said, "It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire" (Matthew 18:. His words confirm the relative unimportance of our physical condition in this world, as compared to our eternal state. To enter life maimed (and then to be made whole) is infinitely better than to enter hell whole (to suffer for eternity

 

God’s plan is subject to man’s approval. One of the contentions of the "why won’t God heal amputees" argument is that God just isn’t "fair" to amputees. Yet, Scripture is clear that God is perfectly just (Psalm 11:7; 2 Thessalonians 1:5-6) and in His sovereignty answers to no one (Romans 9:20-21). A believer has faith in God’s goodness, even when circumstances make it difficult and reason seems to falter.

 

God does not exist. This is the underlying assumption on which the whole "why won’t God heal amputees" argument is based. Those who champion the "why won’t God heal amputees" argument start with the assumption that God does not exist and then proceed to buttress their idea as best they can. For them, "religion is a myth" is a foregone conclusion, presented as a logical deduction but which is, in reality, foundational to the argument.

 

In one sense, the question of why God doesn’t heal amputees is a trick question, comparable to "Can God make a rock too big for Him to lift?" and is designed not to seek for truth but to discredit faith. In another sense, it can be a valid question with a biblical answer. That answer, in short, would be something like this: "God can heal amputees and will heal every one of them who trusts Christ as Savior. The healing will come, not as the result of our demanding it now, but in God’s own time, possibly in this life, but definitely in heaven. Until that time, we walk by faith, trusting the God who redeems us in Christ and promises the resurrection of the body."

 

A personal testimony:from a friend who now has 2 adopted children

Our first son was born missing bones in his lower legs and in his feet and he only had two toes. Two days after his first birthday he had both feet amputated. We are now considering adopting a child from China who would require a similar surgery as he has similar issues. I feel God chose me to be a very special mother to these special children, and I had no idea until seeing the topic about why doesn't God heal amputees that people used this as a reason to doubt the existence of God. As the mother of one child with no feet and the potential mother of another child that will be missing some of his lower limbs as well, I've never seen it in that light. Rather, I have seen His calling me to be a special mother as a way to teach others of the blessings of God. He is also calling me to give these children the opportunity to be added to a Christian family that will teach them to love the Lord in their special way and to understand that we can overcome all things through Christ. Some might find it to be a stumbling block; we find it to be a learning experience and challenge. We also thank Him for giving someone the knowledge to perform the necessary surgeries and make the necessary prostheses that allow my son, and hopefully our next son, to be able to walk, run, jump, and live to glorify God in all things. “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28).