denlin Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) [quote=Mr Fisk; 1)If God does not exist then objective moral values do not exist 2) Objective moral values do exist 3) Therefore God exists If the atheist thinks that God did something morally wrong in commanding this 'genocide', he/she affirms premise (2) For the atheist’s premise to make objective sense (i.e. the problem of evil), God’s existence is necessary. From an atheists point of view 1. God does not exist 2. Moral values do exist and are based on genes and teachings from schools and parents and have evolved naturally 3. therefore God does not exist and no existence is necessary Edited January 7, 2015 by denlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The study seems to point towards the direction that belief in some intelligent force/God may be more apparent in us than first though- that is how I understood it RB. Ambiguous enough wording? From everything I've read about it, the study suggests merely that a child's mind seeks explanations for things in a way that can make sense (to an infantile mind). At an age where we readily believe in such myths as Santa, Tooth Fairy etc, we are just as susceptible to belief in a magical, unseen 'creator' force. That said, the study is hugely flawed anyway (largely based on analytic evidence gained from studying children who were already at an age where their minds had been influenced by external sources). All in all I think the (almost) £2million could have been better spent. Lets face it, belief in God has been around a LONG LONG time, it is also cross cultural and I also sometimes wonder why those who oppose God tend to be the ones who start thread on the very subject..is it a case of 'we just cannot get rid of God?? A more accurate statement would be... "Belief in the Christian God has been around a long time, other gods were around before that, atheism (absence of belief in gods) has been around even longer. Belief in gods is cross cultural, as is absence of belief". As for getting rid of God, he/she/it has never been anything that was in my life so for me there's nothing to get rid of. To be honest I didn't link the original article (which can be found from The Telegraph)- having checked that quote again, the word 'think' does appear and when I quoted the words from another source- it wasn't there- so I appreciate the proper text being asserted. Though I do believe this study does throws many questions out there- and instinctively we do tend to have this 'shadow' of is there a intelligent powerful force out there. Could you give an example of such questions? Funnily, this very thread kind of poses the question - where a few have questioned God as committing 'genocide'- it does in fact affirm the premise (2) from the moral argument: 1)If God does not exist then objective moral values do not exist 2) Objective moral values do exist 3) Therefore God exists If the atheist thinks that God did something morally wrong in commanding this 'genocide', he/she affirms premise (2) For the atheist’s premise to make objective sense (i.e. the problem of evil), God’s existence is necessary. You seem to have a very mistaken grasp on how logic works. The part of your post above makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teeny Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 teeny: Can you answer my post 390 as I still would like to know what sins you are talking about. Have you ever lied , have you ever hurt someone that's all sin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Have you ever lied , have you ever hurt someone that's all sin So lying to save someone from harm is a sin against your God according to your religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teeny Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So lying to save someone from harm is a sin against your God according to your religion. a lie is a lie and is therefore Sin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 a lie is a lie and is therefore Sin Oh well then. If lying meant saving someone's life, I'd happily "sin". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 a lie is a lie and is therefore Sin What's the punishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 What's the punishment? Dying a second death in hell, if you don't repent and accept Jesus as your saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Dying a second death in hell, if you don't repent and accept Jesus as your saviour. A little drastic for a lie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 A little drastic for a lie.... �� Haters gonna hate though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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