Our immigration policy..

[retep]

It seems there are plenty of students in the UK who are being discriminated against.

 

"80,000 UK students told they can’t be nurses while NHS hires thousands from abroad"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/547556/80-000-students-told-they-can-t-be-nurses

[JFKvsNixon]

It seems there are plenty of students in the UK who are being discriminated against.

 

"80,000 UK students told they can’t be nurses while NHS hires thousands from abroad"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/547556/80-000-students-told-they-can-t-be-nurses

 

What a daft and sensationalist headline. 80,000 people aren't told they can't be nurses, there were 19,000 training places and 100,000 people applied.

[anfisa]

What a daft and sensationalist headline. 80,000 people aren't told they can't be nurses, there were 19,000 training places and 100,000 people applied.

 

So clearly not enough training places if we still need to employers foreign nurses, it also makes the statement "we need immigration because the NHS would fall apart without them it" a load of nonsense.

 

The bottom line is that we have enough people ready and waiting to be trained to do almost any job, but its easier and and some think cheaper to employ people from abroad that have already been trained.

[dosxuk]

So clearly not enough training places if we still need to employers foreign nurses, it also makes the statement "we need immigration because the NHS would fall apart without them it" a load of nonsense.

 

The article is missing two major pieces of information - firstly why the people were turned down (was it simply lack of places, or lack of suitable candidates?) - and secondly, why do we need the 6000 nurses from abroad now? Why can't we wait the five years or so it would take for us to train people up?

 

The bottom line is that we have enough people ready and waiting to be trained to do almost any job, but its easier and and some think cheaper to employ people from abroad that have already been trained.

 

Well it clearly is cheaper - it says in the article they can afford the salary of three full time nurses for the same costs as training one nurse up.

[JFKvsNixon]

So clearly not enough training places if we still need to employers foreign nurses, it also makes the statement "we need immigration because the NHS would fall apart without them it" a load of nonsense.

 

The bottom line is that we have enough people ready and waiting to be trained to do almost any job, but its easier and and some think cheaper to employ people from abroad that have already been trained.

 

I'm sure we've had this discussion before?

 

We need qualified nurses today, training places gives us a nurse in the next three years, plus the time to get them through their preceptorship.

 

What we are seeing today is the cost of the cutbacks that was made during the financial crisis from up to 5 years ago.

 

Remember when you talking about training places you're also talking about the resources needed to train a nurse, it needs more then money, even though it's worth noting that according to the NHS website it costs £70,000 to train a nurse.

 

You also need the facilities, the lecturers, the support staff and the clinical staff on the wards who are qualified to to teach and assess student nurses.

[retep]

The article is missing two major pieces of information - firstly why the people were turned down (was it simply lack of places, or lack of suitable candidates?) - and secondly, why do we need the 6000 nurses from abroad now? Why can't we wait the five years or so it would take for us to train people up?

 

 

 

Well it clearly is cheaper - it says in the article they can afford the salary of three full time nurses for the same costs as training one nurse up.

 

So you don't find investing in UK students worth while?

[chalga]

 

Or it means there are not enough EU migrants wanting to work for the NHS, lets suppose there was five million unemployed nurses in the EU all wanting to come and work in the UK, do you still think the Philippines people will have a chance at getting the jobs.

 

How many unemployed nurses are there in the EU?

If the NHS consider that Philippines nurses are better qualified to do the job over EU nurses,then they will employ them,there's no evidence that they didn't already overlook more EU people wanting to work in the NHS in favour of Philippines nurse.

[dosxuk]

So you don't find investing in UK students worth while?

 

But we are investing in UK students. However it takes time to actually train them up. We need new nurses now, not in 5 years time. It's not a choice between training someone or employing someone, it's finding the balance.

 

Would the NHS and it's patients be better off today by not employing the 6,000 nurses now and instead funding the training of an additional 2,000 students to be ready to treat people in 2020?

[Harrystottle]

But we are investing in UK students. However it takes time to actually train them up. We need new nurses now, not in 5 years time.

 

When my sons ex-girlfriend was training as a nurse in I think Liverpool, of the class above her only two managed to get a job in the UK, the rest went abroad. Australia was a popular destination. This was about four years since. So we are indeed investing in UK students, but where are they ending up working?

[JFKvsNixon]

When my sons ex-girlfriend was training as a nurse in I think Liverpool, of the class above her only two managed to get a job in the UK, the rest went abroad. Australia was a popular destination. This was about four years since. So we are indeed investing in UK students, but where are they ending up working?

 

Four years ago there was serious recruitment freezes in the NHS, so there wouldn't have been many jobs for the student nurses to apply for, so many of the student nurses would have been forced to look for jobs abroad or a job in a different profession.