No contraception, no dole

[Cyclone]

It is paid by low tax payers. It all goes into the same pot, then it's distributed as needed.

 

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That differs from person to person. Someone who has never worked would have a negative figure. That's an extreme minority.

 

Someone who has worked for 30 years before falling on hard times, then having a child would still be in the black. Where would you draw the line, and how would you means rest it? It would be a total shambles.

 

In reality a large proportion of the tax payers of the country are still net beneficiaries. It's only the top 20% (I think from memory, happy to have a link to real data to correct that) who are net contributors.

[janie48]

I'd rather stick to the topic rather than getting deeper and deeper into the metaphorical hole we're digging

On the topic, you and some others have spoken for me.

 

Can't believe some are supporting what appears to be going down the route of the Nazi doctrine.

[mickey finn]

On the topic, you and some others have spoken for me.

 

Can't believe some are supporting what appears to be going down the route of the Nazi doctrine.

 

Same here, unbelievable.

[cgksheff]

In reality a large proportion of the tax payers of the country are still net beneficiaries. It's only the top 20% (I think from memory, happy to have a link to real data to correct that) who are net contributors.

 

40%

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/10638283/How-much-we-give-the-state-in-tax-and-how-much-we-get-back.html

[Bonzo77]

In reality a large proportion of the tax payers of the country are still net beneficiaries. It's only the top 20% (I think from memory, happy to have a link to real data to correct that) who are net contributors.

 

What percentage of those people own their own business that either evade tax (legally or illegally), and/or pay their staff minimum wage, which will require tax credits to top their earnings up?

[Cyclone]

There is no such thing as legally evading tax, that's avoiding tax, and that's everyone that owns a business. Who would deliberately pay more than they are required to...

 

Tax credits are the governments invention and fault, they should simply not take that tax from people in the first place... Far less bureaucracy, and far more sensible.

[Harrystottle]

Nazi doctrine? Does anybody know any history, or do we think that just repeating a current slogan makes us appear more intelligent?

 

The Nazis were into eugenics, yes. The wanted to euthanize imperfect babies, yes. Has anyone on this thread actually advocated that? No.

 

The biggest experiment to restrict family size was carried out by the Chinese communists, so shouldn't you be condemning this communist doctrine?

[Bonzo77]

There is no such thing as legally evading tax, that's avoiding tax, and that's everyone that owns a business. Who would deliberately pay more than they are required to...

 

Tax credits are the governments invention and fault, they should simply not take that tax from people in the first place... Far less bureaucracy, and far more sensible.

 

In that case, they should enforce a living wage. No one should have to work full time hours and not be able to put a roof over their head and raise a child.

 

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Nazi doctrine? Does anybody know any history, or do we think that just repeating a current slogan makes us appear more intelligent?

 

The Nazis were into eugenics, yes. The wanted to euthanize imperfect babies, yes. Has anyone on this thread actually advocated that? No.

 

The biggest experiment to restrict family size was carried out by the Chinese communists, so shouldn't you be condemning this communist doctrine?

 

Yep. The Chinese did try it. Would you be happy living in a state like communist China?

 

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There is no such thing as legally evading tax, that's avoiding tax, and that's everyone that owns a business. Who would deliberately pay more than they are required to...

 

OK, how many rich people exploit loopholes that should be closed by government? Also, how many average working tax payers have the privilege of these loopholes? Who lobbied for the tax breaks that these exceptionally wealthy people have access to?

[truman]

In that case, they should enforce a living wage. No one should have to work full time hours and not be able to put a roof over their head and raise a child.

 

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Yep. The Chinese did try it. Would you be happy living in a state like communist China?

 

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OK, how many rich people exploit loopholes that should be closed by government? Also, how many average working tax payers have the privilege of these loopholes? Who lobbied for the tax breaks that these exceptionally wealthy people have access to?

 

If you contribute to a pension or an ISA you get a tax break...

[Bonzo77]

If you contribute to a pension or an ISA you get a tax break...

 

Wow! Such a privilege! Who brought that in? I'm voting for them in May. A tax break on money that's given to investors, money that you don't have 100% control over. You get a tax break, but there's more incentive to put more into an isa and leave it for as long as possible.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Bonzo77