Drug prohibition costs lives

[Cyclone]

Why does it not surprise me that yet another account appears to back up spurious claims.

 

The forum is for debating, if you do not want to debate then why join the discussion other that for the purpose of causing discord.

 

Appears?

 

What, from March 2008, with over 6000 posts.

 

It couldn't just be that the majority of people disagree with you and suspect we know what your previous banned username was.

 

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You believe I am wrong, but you can not prove that I am wrong.

 

You've already been proven to be wrong. You've just ignored the evidence and refuse to reconsider your point of view.

 

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Current policies are winning the war on drugs, and decriminalising them does not solve the problem, it just ides the problem away from public view.

 

You must live in your own little bubble, a different reality to the one everyone else inhabits.

If you're just going to ignore facts and make things up then there's little point in you debating at all.

[anfisa]

Appears?

 

What, from March 2008, with over 6000 posts.

 

2.77 posts per day is not very many, and is achieved in just a few minuets per days.

 

 

 

 

It couldn't just be that the majority of people disagree with you and suspect we know what your previous banned username was.

 

That is the impression you are trying to portray.

 

You've already been proven to be wrong. You've just ignored the evidence and refuse to reconsider your point of view.

 

You believe you have proven me wrong but the evidence does not support your stance.

 

You must live in your own little bubble, a different reality to the one everyone else inhabits.

More attempts to discredit me because you can not provide the evidence to support your stance.

 

 

If you're just going to ignore facts and make things up then there's little point in you debating at all.

 

Then do not debate, because quite frankly most of your posts are off topic spurious allegations about me using multiple accounts in an attempt to discredit me.

 

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It couldn't just be that the majority of people disagree with you and suspect we know what your previous banned username was.

Lets assume for one moment that I had another account, how would you know that it was banned unless you also have an admin account? So the bottom line is you banned someone and now you think I am that someone.

Why did you ban them in the first place, was it because they expressed an opinion you did not like?

Edited January 10, 2015 by anfisa

[Bonzo77]

It seems as though the London trials are working when heroin was prescribed to 48 people, 6 kicked the habit, a 12.5% success rate.

[anfisa]

A fairly typical 12-week stay in rehab will cost between £6,000-£12,000, depending on how complex your needs are.

 

It costs the NHS about £14,000 to maintain an addict on heroin for a year.

 

http://guidedoc.com/heroin-addiction-treatment-success-rates-statistics

When it comes to heroin addiction treatment success rates, as part of an outpatient treatment, medication therapy has a 35 percent completion rate, while the completion rate for a residential program was as high as 65 percent.

 

 

http://www.nta.nhs.uk/uploads/six-yearstudy.pdf

The National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS)

identified 341,741 unique individuals who were treated over a

six year period from 1 April 2005 to 31 March 2011

Overall, 85,303 individuals successfully completed their

treatment and overcame their addiction.

This represents a quarter of the entire six-year cohort. None of this group returned

to treatment over the six-year period, so we can be confident

that so far they have been able to sustain their recovery.

 

 

47% of patients treated in residential rehabilitation services achieved abstinence after five years vs. 35% of those in community-based services.

 

The researchers also commented that clients who attended residential rehabilitation were some of “the most severely disturbed and they made some of the greatest treatment gains”.

http://www.executive-rehab-guide.co.uk/private-alcohol-and-drug-rehab/success-rates#sthash.3NZUZsYm.dpuf

Edited January 10, 2015 by anfisa

[psynuk]

the facts that I post will be dismissed by everyone.

 

No they won't, but you might want to start including some.

Thanks for including some

 

 

This ones fantastic, courtesy of the met police force.

 

" In 2012, illegal drug use was at its lowest since 2011"

 

That kind of sentence structure should be right up your street.

Edited January 10, 2015 by psynuk

[anfisa]

No they won't, but you might want to start including some.

Thanks for including some

 

 

This ones fantastic, courtesy of the met police force.

 

" In 2012, illegal drug use was at its lowest since 2011"

That kind of sentence structure should be right up your street.

 

That is a typo on the website, the report actually says.

 

"In 2012, the prevalence of illegal drug use was at its lowest since 2001, when the current method of measurement was first used."

[Bonzo77]

A fairly typical 12-week stay in rehab will cost between £6,000-£12,000, depending on how complex your needs are.

 

It costs the NHS about £14,000 to maintain an addict on heroin for a year.

 

http://guidedoc.com/heroin-addiction-treatment-success-rates-statistics

When it comes to heroin addiction treatment success rates, as part of an outpatient treatment, medication therapy has a 35 percent completion rate, while the completion rate for a residential program was as high as 65 percent.

 

 

http://www.nta.nhs.uk/uploads/six-yearstudy.pdf

The National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS)

identified 341,741 unique individuals who were treated over a

six year period from 1 April 2005 to 31 March 2011

Overall, 85,303 individuals successfully completed their

treatment and overcame their addiction.

This represents a quarter of the entire six-year cohort. None of this group returned

to treatment over the six-year period, so we can be confident

that so far they have been able to sustain their recovery.

 

 

47% of patients treated in residential rehabilitation services achieved abstinence after five years vs. 35% of those in community-based services.

 

The researchers also commented that clients who attended residential rehabilitation were some of “the most severely disturbed and they made some of the greatest treatment gains”.

http://www.executive-rehab-guide.co.uk/private-alcohol-and-drug-rehab/success-rates#sthash.3NZUZsYm.dpuf

 

So rehab costs £52,000 a year compared to £14,000 subscription.

[anfisa]

So rehab costs £52,000 a year compared to £14,000 subscription.

 

No because people do not spend the entire year in rehab nor do they do it every year.

[psynuk]

That is a typo on the website, the report actually says.

 

"In 2012, the prevalence of illegal drug use was at its lowest since 2001, when the current method of measurement was first used."

 

Quite right it does look like a typo. It's interesting to note that a similar reduction in drug use has been seen in portugal for a roughly comparable age group even though they decriminalised all drugs many years ago.

 

The netherlands also has a very low amount of use for similar age group.

[anfisa]

Quite right it does look like a typo. It's interesting to note that a similar reduction in drug use has been seen in portugal for a roughly comparable age group even though they decriminalised all drugs many years ago.

 

The netherlands also has a very low amount of use for similar age group.

 

Addicts in the Netherlands are complaining about the being supplied with free heroin because it has become so easy for them, they feel like society has given up on them.

Far from public sight the addicts feel like they’ve been flushed down the toilet by the Dutch public — addicted forever, out of sight and out of mind.

 

 

They do not need free heroin, they need the means to stop using heroin.