tzijlstra Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think we should be able to say what we like about any god. In the unlikely event that any of them actually exist they should be quite capable of sorting out their own battles. So god. If you exist take it up with me in the afterlife. You've missed my point entirely. What I said was that religion used to determine what we could and couldn't say, nowadays most people have not got that limit and therefore we are having a discussion about what can and can't be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saunaman Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 My favourite quote of the week.... "I agree with what he says, but I disagree with his right to say it." Norman "Voltaire" Baker on Prince Charles (Guido Fawkes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The French are arresting people for comments seen as defending terrorism, it's a funny thing this freedom of speech malarkey and it seems to be used selectively IMO = http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-aftermath-french-police-arrest-54-people-for-defending-or-glorifying-terrorism-9977434.html It's a bit like Democracy. It's OK when it achieves a result you like, but when it results in a victory for Hamas or The Egyptian Brotherhood then it suddenly becomes less desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The use of words like 'death to', slay, behead, exterminate, massacre, destroy etc ..... in the name of any brand of delusion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliceBB Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The right to say and do what you want extends only as far as doing no harm. If you use that 'right' to deny others the freedoms you value as your birthright, you automatically disqualify yourself morally from exercising it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 In light of recent happenings locally and around the world (especially Paris). When does freedom of speech become unacceptable? I had to disagree with David Cameron about being able to say or write what you want. I didn't hear what specifically he said, but I was told that what he said in a round about way. Does a certain amount of freedom of speech have to be reconsidered, I think it does to some extent. What's other peoples views? Personally I'm not looking for a right or wrong answer - just a discussion. How light heartedly and willingly some of us are prepared to just throw our democratic rights to the wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliceBB Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) How light heartedly and willingly some of us are prepared to just throw our democratic rights to the wind Nicely put, but I'm not sure that was what JonB was saying... Put it this way : is it your 'democratic right', for example, to urge or pressurise people to hate, humiliate, bully and oppress other people (whether singly or in groups)? The context in which people are free to do that has changed, has it not? Since the advent of social media, it's not just a case of nasty-minded National Front/BNP members meeting furtively in locked rooms to share their vileness in a limited way - the advent of universal literacy and social media have allowed anyone to get their 'message' across to most of the world's population (apart from China) very easily. The question is, what curbs (if any) should be applied to that - should anyone be able to say or write anything they want, at any time, with impunity? Edited February 5, 2015 by aliceBB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 It becomes unacceptable when it starts endangering people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrystottle Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The idea that we have freedom of speech in this country is somewhat old fashioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janie48 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Its not what you say its how you say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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