Mecky Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) One person said it, not the party and if you want to play that game, does wearing unemployment unforms, workhouses, no dole at all ring a bell? Anyway, by that time they'll have already starved to death under the tories Edited February 12, 2015 by Mecky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodmally Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There are jobs. They just might not be the kind of jobs which the unemployed want to do. Most of the available work is low-skilled, zero hours contracts, part time, minimum wage. There are many jobless graduates, for example; they don't all want to work in McDonalds or in hotel kitchens. Well if thats the case then hard cheese. I would be willing to do any job rather than be on benefits. I have done factory work in the past and stacking shelves at night. Yes I'm in a good job at the moment but would do anything. Why should people be claiming benefits if there is a job for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Well if thats the case then hard cheese. I would be willing to do any job rather than be on benefits. I have done factory work in the past and stacking shelves at night. Yes I'm in a good job at the moment but would do anything. Why should people be claiming benefits if there is a job for them. Don't you think that oeople arent forced to apply for jobs they aren't qualified to do? The Job centre makes sure they apply for such jobs after a couple of months or they lose their benefits. Problem is, employers don't want over qualified people or even under qualified people for that matter. It's an employers market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 some of you really need to be careful not to get dizzy by all the spin you believe. There are jobs, lots and lots of them. First Alice says there are lots of graduates without work, then someone says: hah look at the jobs he posted, who could get those... uhmmm graduates? I work at a University, I talk to students very frequently, including those that have just finished. Those that take things serious are in work before they even have their degree, those that were time-wasters during the course tend to struggle, there is a distinct pattern there. Why are they struggling? Because they never learned how to work. Those that have however all end up with great jobs. I have taught students who are now at Unilever, Rolls Royce, Google, Nokia/Windows, PwC, Deloitte, big law firms and so on. And no, they are not making tea, they all have good posts. Keep telling yourselves there is no work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) One person said it, not the party and if you want to play that game, does wearing unemployment unforms, workhouses, no dole at all ring a bell? Anyway, by that time they'll have already starved to death under the tories It is jarring that all these proposals from all the parties are happening at a time when tax evasion by major companies and individuals has been exposed. And especially jarring that people and companies that have avoided tax have been funding political parties. What happened to people being 'equal in the eyes of the law', or the 'rule of law'? Yes there are a small proportion of people on the dole that have no intention of working. However the cost to the taxpayer is peanuts compared to the money lost to the treasury through tax fraud. Add to that the number of people on the dole who are saving the treasury a fortune by doing necessary voluntary work such as caring for others; and, as you say, many have died as a consequence of the benefit changes (32 per week since 2010, a conservative estimate). Edited February 12, 2015 by Mister M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Can I assume that if dole payments are going to be limited to 2 years that my National Insurance contributions will be coming down as I don't need to cover as much ? I'll not hold my breath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrystottle Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Tzijlstra, there may be plenty of jobs but unfortunately UK social policy over the last 50 years has created an underclass of people who are virtually unemployable. On that "Benefits Britain" program shown from Jaywick, Essex the other week there was a woman getting £28,000 in benefits. She'd never worked. She has no skills that would want to make anyone employ her apart from maybe a minimum wage job. To bring home £28k she'd have to have a job paying her over £40k - there is just no way. She's far better off on benefits and has no incentive to get a job even if anyone offered her one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 And even if those jobs where 100% legitimate,what chance does average Joe have in getting most of those jobs. Without digging too far into the "hundreds of thousands",lets take the first page of that monster search for example. Senior Buyer Company: coretalent • £35,000 - £45,000 Sheffield, Yorkshire coretalent Senior Electrical Design Engineer Company: Premier Group UK • £35,000 - £50,000 Production Planner Company: Brewster Pratap Recruitme... • £18,000 - £18,000 Sheffield, Yorkshire English Teacher Company: Hays Specialist Recruitme... • £115.00 - £155.00 Sheffield, Yorkshire Hays Specialist Recruitment Ltd General Manager Company: BiS Henderson • £70,000 - £75,000 Today Sheffield, Yorkshire Accounts Senior / Management Accountant Company: Elevation Recruitment • £22,000 - £28,000 Sheffield, Yorkshire Interim Procurement Process Design Lead - £700 p/d Company: 1st Executive • £600.00 - £700.00 Sheffield, Yorkshire Marketing and Communications Officer Company: Networx • £27,500 - £27,500 Sheffield, Yorkshire Assessor - Engineering (Electrical and Mechanical) Company: Specialist Recruitment Pa... • £24,000 - £27,000 Rotherham, Yorkshire Account Manager - Sales / Clientfacing / Digital / Agency / We Company: SEARCHABILITY (UK) LTD • £30,000 - £40,000 Sheffield, Yorkshire SEARCHABILITY (UK) LTD Account Manager Company: HAMLIN KNIGHT LIMITED • £24,000 - £26,000 Rotherham, Yorkshire Traffic and Transport Engineer Company: Lamonby Recruitment Ltd • £30,000 - £40,000 Sheffield, Yorkshire PROJECT MANAGER (Construction) Company: Monaghans Sheffield, Yorkshire Registered General Nurse Rotherham Company: Hays Healthcare • £19 - £39 Rotherham, Yorkshire Credit Controller Company: Sharp Consultancy • £17,000 - £20,000 Rotherham, Yorkshire Project Support: Data - Sheffield - 7mths Company: Hays Specialist Recruitme... • £18.00 - £25.00 Sheffield, Yorkshire Hays Specialist Recruitment Net developer . .Net, C#, SQL, JavaScript . Sheffield - £30,000 to £45,000 Company: OPUS • £30,000 - £45,000 Sheffield, Yorkshire Paraplanner/ Client Liaison Executive Company: Cameron James Professiona... • £25,000 - £40,000 Sheffield Cameron James Professional Recruitment Project Engineers Company: Electus Recruitment Solut... • £30,000 - £35,000 Sheffield, Yorkshire PLC SCADA CONTROL SYSTEMS ENGINEER Company: HARTLAND RECRUITMENT & AD... • £30,000 - £41,000 Wakefield, Yorkshire MPS BDM Company: Vasanta Group • £35,000 - £35,000 Normanton, Yorkshire Vasanta Group Systems Support Administrator / Systems Administrator Company: Bluetownonline Ltd Doncaster, Yorkshire LCV / Heavy Goods / HGV Mechanics Company: Bluetownonline Ltd Doncaster, Yorkshire Line Chef – King’s Chamber Company: MARSTON'S PLC Doncaster, Yorkshire 1000's of jobs yes,jobs for everyone? Not even close. Isn't it up to "average Joe" to make himself more employable by putting a bit of effort into upping his game? First of all there's people on here saying that there aren't any "proper" jobs then you come along and say that people aren't capable of doing the jobs on offer..can't have it both ways.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Tzijlstra, there may be plenty of jobs but unfortunately UK social policy over the last 50 years has created an underclass of people who are virtually unemployable. On that "Benefits Britain" program shown from Jaywick, Essex the other week there was a woman getting £28,000 in benefits. She'd never worked. She has no skills that would want to make anyone employ her apart from maybe a minimum wage job. To bring home £28k she'd have to have a job paying her over £40k - there is just no way. She's far better off on benefits and has no incentive to get a job even if anyone offered her one. Which is exactly why benefits need to be capped far more rigorously. I am all for helping people in between jobs, but completely against helping them stay out of work. Some people will interpret that as me being against the poor, but I would like to ask them how fulfilling a life holding your hand up for cash is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Someone I know works as a fully qualified electrician for 'Umbrella' companies - I'm not sure what this means, but I know he has to pay £25 to the agency every time he gets paid, for 'administration.' He often gets short changed with disputes over hours or agreed rates, but now, for the second time, he hasn't been paid at all. He's had enough. He's off to New Zealand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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