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One person said it, not the party and if you want to play that game, does wearing unemployment unforms, workhouses, no dole at all ring a bell? Anyway, by that time they'll have already starved to death under the tories

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There are jobs. They just might not be the kind of jobs which the unemployed want to do. Most of the available work is low-skilled, zero hours contracts, part time, minimum wage. There are many jobless graduates, for example; they don't all want to work in McDonalds or in hotel kitchens.

 

Well if thats the case then hard cheese. I would be willing to do any job rather than be on benefits. I have done factory work in the past and stacking shelves at night. Yes I'm in a good job at the moment but would do anything.

 

Why should people be claiming benefits if there is a job for them.

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Well if thats the case then hard cheese. I would be willing to do any job rather than be on benefits. I have done factory work in the past and stacking shelves at night. Yes I'm in a good job at the moment but would do anything.

 

Why should people be claiming benefits if there is a job for them.

 

Don't you think that oeople arent forced to apply for jobs they aren't qualified to do? The Job centre makes sure they apply for such jobs after a couple of months or they lose their benefits.

 

Problem is, employers don't want over qualified people or even under qualified people for that matter. It's an employers market.

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some of you really need to be careful not to get dizzy by all the spin you believe. There are jobs, lots and lots of them. First Alice says there are lots of graduates without work, then someone says: hah look at the jobs he posted, who could get those... uhmmm graduates?

 

I work at a University, I talk to students very frequently, including those that have just finished. Those that take things serious are in work before they even have their degree, those that were time-wasters during the course tend to struggle, there is a distinct pattern there. Why are they struggling? Because they never learned how to work. Those that have however all end up with great jobs. I have taught students who are now at Unilever, Rolls Royce, Google, Nokia/Windows, PwC, Deloitte, big law firms and so on. And no, they are not making tea, they all have good posts.

 

Keep telling yourselves there is no work...

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One person said it, not the party and if you want to play that game, does wearing unemployment unforms, workhouses, no dole at all ring a bell? Anyway, by that time they'll have already starved to death under the tories

 

It is jarring that all these proposals from all the parties are happening at a time when tax evasion by major companies and individuals has been exposed. And especially jarring that people and companies that have avoided tax have been funding political parties. What happened to people being 'equal in the eyes of the law', or the 'rule of law'?

Yes there are a small proportion of people on the dole that have no intention of working. However the cost to the taxpayer is peanuts compared to the money lost to the treasury through tax fraud.

Add to that the number of people on the dole who are saving the treasury a fortune by doing necessary voluntary work such as caring for others; and, as you say, many have died as a consequence of the benefit changes (32 per week since 2010, a conservative estimate).

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Tzijlstra, there may be plenty of jobs but unfortunately UK social policy over the last 50 years has created an underclass of people who are virtually unemployable.

On that "Benefits Britain" program shown from Jaywick, Essex the other week there was a woman getting £28,000 in benefits. She'd never worked. She has no skills that would want to make anyone employ her apart from maybe a minimum wage job.

To bring home £28k she'd have to have a job paying her over £40k - there is just no way.

She's far better off on benefits and has no incentive to get a job even if anyone offered her one.

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And even if those jobs where 100% legitimate,what chance does average Joe have in getting most of those jobs.

Without digging too far into the "hundreds of thousands",lets take the first page of that monster search for example.

 

 

 

Senior Buyer

Company: coretalent

£35,000 - £45,000

Sheffield, Yorkshire

coretalent

 

 

Senior Electrical Design Engineer

Company: Premier Group UK

£35,000 - £50,000

 

 

 

Production Planner

Company: Brewster Pratap Recruitme...

£18,000 - £18,000

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

 

English Teacher

Company: Hays Specialist Recruitme...

£115.00 - £155.00

Sheffield, Yorkshire

Hays Specialist Recruitment Ltd

 

 

General Manager

Company: BiS Henderson

£70,000 - £75,000

Today

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

 

Accounts Senior / Management Accountant

Company: Elevation Recruitment

£22,000 - £28,000

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

 

Interim Procurement Process Design Lead - £700 p/d

Company: 1st Executive

£600.00 - £700.00

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

 

Marketing and Communications Officer

Company: Networx

£27,500 - £27,500

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

 

Assessor - Engineering (Electrical and Mechanical)

Company: Specialist Recruitment Pa...

£24,000 - £27,000

Rotherham, Yorkshire

 

Account Manager - Sales / Clientfacing / Digital / Agency / We

Company: SEARCHABILITY (UK) LTD

£30,000 - £40,000

Sheffield, Yorkshire

SEARCHABILITY (UK) LTD

 

 

Account Manager

Company: HAMLIN KNIGHT LIMITED

£24,000 - £26,000

Rotherham, Yorkshire

 

 

Traffic and Transport Engineer

Company: Lamonby Recruitment Ltd

£30,000 - £40,000

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

 

PROJECT MANAGER (Construction)

Company: Monaghans

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

Registered General Nurse Rotherham

Company: Hays Healthcare

£19 - £39

Rotherham, Yorkshire

 

 

Credit Controller

Company: Sharp Consultancy

£17,000 - £20,000

Rotherham, Yorkshire

 

 

Project Support: Data - Sheffield - 7mths

Company: Hays Specialist Recruitme...

£18.00 - £25.00

Sheffield, Yorkshire

Hays Specialist Recruitment

 

 

Net developer . .Net, C#, SQL, JavaScript . Sheffield - £30,000 to £45,000

Company: OPUS

£30,000 - £45,000

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

 

Paraplanner/ Client Liaison Executive

Company: Cameron James Professiona...

£25,000 - £40,000

Sheffield

Cameron James Professional Recruitment

 

Project Engineers

Company: Electus Recruitment Solut...

£30,000 - £35,000

Sheffield, Yorkshire

 

PLC SCADA CONTROL SYSTEMS ENGINEER

Company: HARTLAND RECRUITMENT & AD...

£30,000 - £41,000

Wakefield, Yorkshire

 

 

MPS BDM

Company: Vasanta Group

£35,000 - £35,000

Normanton, Yorkshire

Vasanta Group

 

 

Systems Support Administrator / Systems Administrator

Company: Bluetownonline Ltd

Doncaster, Yorkshire

 

 

LCV / Heavy Goods / HGV Mechanics

Company: Bluetownonline Ltd

Doncaster, Yorkshire

 

Line Chef – King’s Chamber

Company: MARSTON'S PLC

Doncaster, Yorkshire

 

1000's of jobs yes,jobs for everyone? Not even close.

 

Isn't it up to "average Joe" to make himself more employable by putting a bit of effort into upping his game? First of all there's people on here saying that there aren't any "proper" jobs then you come along and say that people aren't capable of doing the jobs on offer..can't have it both ways..

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Tzijlstra, there may be plenty of jobs but unfortunately UK social policy over the last 50 years has created an underclass of people who are virtually unemployable.

On that "Benefits Britain" program shown from Jaywick, Essex the other week there was a woman getting £28,000 in benefits. She'd never worked. She has no skills that would want to make anyone employ her apart from maybe a minimum wage job.

To bring home £28k she'd have to have a job paying her over £40k - there is just no way.

She's far better off on benefits and has no incentive to get a job even if anyone offered her one.

 

Which is exactly why benefits need to be capped far more rigorously. I am all for helping people in between jobs, but completely against helping them stay out of work.

 

Some people will interpret that as me being against the poor, but I would like to ask them how fulfilling a life holding your hand up for cash is.

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Someone I know works as a fully qualified electrician for 'Umbrella' companies - I'm not sure what this means, but I know he has to pay £25 to the agency every time he gets paid, for 'administration.'

 

He often gets short changed with disputes over hours or agreed rates, but now, for the second time, he hasn't been paid at all.

 

He's had enough. He's off to New Zealand.

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