20 million on the breadline in Britain

[Bonzo77]

It's not immoral to avoid tax at all - I contribute to a pension which avoids some tax. I recently invested in some machinery, which had it not attracted full tax relief, may well not have done in this tax year. I reclaimed the employers relief on NI.

I have stopped investing in new businesses or new properties (to let) until after the election. If the lefties get in and put up the tax rates then it wont be worth the investment.

I pay all my taxes when they are due - some of which I deeply resent.

 

Equality of tax would be interesting in my book - everybody pays the same amount? Now would that be "fair"?

 

I wouldn't want equal tax. Wealthy people should pay more.

 

I'm not interested in small scale avoidance. I'm interested in people worth millions/billions hiding millions. People who are deliberately using loopholes to avoid tax that they can easily afford to pay.

 

As far as I'm concerned, they're worse than anyone who is playing the benefits system.

[Staunton]

It's not immoral to avoid tax at all....

 

Oops! Here RonJeremy fails to observe one of the central doctrines of free-market ideology. Neoliberalism depends upon the insistence that morality is a purely private and personal matter, not a public, social consideration for open discussion or debate.

 

However, most ordinary people have a strong sense of responsibility, a clear willingness to observe the common principles of morality. We do not wish to see the elderly, the ill, the disabled, children or vulnerable people stripped of their basic dignity and struggling without essential services. We have a clear sense of duty to our neighbours, and genuine compassion for those among us who find themselves in need of care or support.

[the_bloke]

No it's not.

 

One of the criteria of the definitions of poverty as given in the link by the OP is an annual holiday for children.

[RonJeremy]

Oops! Here RonJeremy fails to observe one of the central doctrines of free-market ideology. Neoliberalism depends upon the insistence that morality is a purely private and personal matter, not a public, social consideration for open discussion or debate.

 

However, most ordinary people have a strong sense of responsibility, a clear willingness to observe the common principles of morality. We do not wish to see the elderly, the ill, the disabled, children or vulnerable people stripped of their basic dignity and struggling without essential services. We have a clear sense of duty to our neighbours, and genuine compassion for those among us who find themselves in need of care or support.

 

Of course morals are individual. My morals accept homosexuals and ethnic minorities. Some people's don't. Some people see non believers in their chosen faith as lower than the low. Only fit for beheading. I accept a woman's right to choose abortion, although I don't approve of it. I accept people should be able to take their chosen drug, many do not. Is some one who accepts the use of alcohol immoral? It is subjective.

 

So in Ron's book of morals, avoiding tax is not immoral.

 

As for the rest of it, I don't know anyone who doesn't agree with any of that despite the aspersions you cast.

 

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What was the question?

Oh yes ..... equality .................................

[Staunton]

As for the rest of it, I don't know anyone who doesn't agree with any of that despite the aspersions you cast.

 

That's great news RonJeremy!, and much to be welcomed!

 

Now, maybe it's time to remind ourselves of the title of poppet2's thread - 20 million on the breadline in Britain - and give some serious consideration to the question of how we, as a society, might address this shocking inequality that is causing so much hardship and distress?

[Obelix]

You mean 20 million on the breadline according to some metric dreamt up by the same people to sell a shocking book and make themselves a tidy profit?

[Bonzo77]

So in Ron's book of morals, avoiding tax is not immoral.

 

Ok, neither is having kids for benefits. In fact, I applaud every single person that plays the benefit system for every penny they can! It warms my heart to know that your tax money goes towards someone's daily 4 pack and cigarettes.

 

What line of work are you in Ron?

[tzijlstra]

I wouldn't want equal tax. Wealthy people should pay more.

 

I'm not interested in small scale avoidance. I'm interested in people worth millions/billions hiding millions. People who are deliberately using loopholes to avoid tax that they can easily afford to pay.

 

As far as I'm concerned, they're worse than anyone who is playing the benefits system.

 

So 30% of 20K is the same as 30% of 200K?

[Bonzo77]

So 30% of 20K is the same as 30% of 200K?

 

Is that a rhetorical question?

[RonJeremy]

That's great news RonJeremy!, and much to be welcomed!

 

Now, maybe it's time to remind ourselves of the title of poppet2's thread - 20 million on the breadline in Britain - and give some serious consideration to the question of how we, as a society, might address this shocking inequality that is causing so much hardship and distress?

 

The op is total garbage.

 

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Ok, neither is having kids for benefits. In fact, I applaud every single person that plays the benefit system for every penny they can! It warms my heart to know that your tax money goes towards someone's daily 4 pack and cigarettes.

 

What line of work are you in Ron?

 

You can't blame people for using the benefit system to their advantage. You can blame a system which allows this to happen.

 

I like to think that my tax money pays for all the people I see every day hanging around on the street - you know the ones who have travelled half way across the world to claim on our benefits system and the ones that fill up the waiting area of the children's hospital.

 

What do I do? Anything and everything. Bit of this. Bit of that. But mostly I'm a porn star.