Migration hits 300k, 110k dont have a job to come to..

[tzijlstra]

and look at the state of this country now.

 

What a bad state it is in, indeed Gone from laughing stock of the developed world to a solid top ten in terms of competitiveness

[ubermaus]

Yes indeed, like me

 

 

 

Just checked your 'figures' and I am yet to see how you got to the 110K figure in the first place, the ONS has only posted raw data on the total number of immigrants without any quantification of background/purpose/dependancy/visa-type the only quantification they have included is whether they were EU or not.

 

So where do your numbers come from? How sure are you that the 600K does not include students? I already explained how I get to the 100K students figure, a figure that IS included in the raw data on total immigrants of the ONS.

 

You started this thread, I am yet to see any coherent argument come from you, which is rather typical of people that rant and rave against anything that is to do with immigration.

Coherent? What youve claimed so far is 110k are on benefits, the 13bn foreign aid bill is insignificant, i plucked figures from the tory manifesto lol! and students make up those 'looking for work'.

 

Youre not looking at the right source for the facts. Which clearly states 104000 are looking for work. Its on the BBC.

 

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Did any of us get a vote on the free for all open borders policy ?

 

No we didnt, we just had it forced on us , and look at the state of this country now.

 

All this is not what the european union was set up for.

Not only are we swamped with benefit seekers, we get slapped with a euro bill for doing well!

Edited February 28, 2015 by ubermaus
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[tzijlstra]

Then youre not looking at the right source then. Which clearly states 104000 are looking for work. Its on the BBC.

 

---------- Post added 28-02-2015 at 13:36 ----------

 

 

All this is not what the european union was set up for.

Not only are we swamped with benefit seekers, we get slapped with a euro bill for doing well!

 

Where did you refer to the BBC as a source? You clearly know how to add links. Again you swing by any challenges to your laughable deductions by the way, it would grace you if you actually managed to back some of the rubbish you post up.

[ubermaus]

Where did you refer to the BBC as a source? You clearly know how to add links. Again you swing by any challenges to your laughable deductions by the way, it would grace you if you actually managed to back some of the rubbish you post up.

 

The BBC got their data from somewhere. Look it up.

[tzijlstra]

The BBC got their data from somewhere. Look it up.

 

Yawn. predictable/

[chalga]

Upon arriving in this country, what can EU migrants receive in terms of benefits, and when?

 

The government has recently introduced harsher rules for what EU migrants can receive. These include jobseekers from the European Economic Area (EEA) – predominantly migrants from EU states – having to wait three months before they can claim for Jobseekers’ Allowance. This is the same for accessing child benefit and child tax credits.

 

To stay longer than three months, they have to be in work, actively seeking work, or have a genuine chance of being hired. Either that, or they have to prove that they have the resources to remain without being a burden on public services.

 

EU migrants cannot automatically claim benefits after three months. They have to pass a “habitual residence test” under EU law. This covers the individual’s status regarding their duration of stay, activity, income if they are students, family status, and housing situation. Even if they pass this, they can then only claim Jobseekers’ Allowance for six months – after that, only those with a job offer or proof they are likely to find work are allowed to continue claiming.

 

On top of the tests required under EU law, the UK applies an additional test: the “right to reside”. This limits certain benefits. The European Commission sees this as an unfair extra hurdle and has referred the UK to the EU’s Court of Justice on the matter.

 

 

 

How many of them are housed by the state?

 

There are similar levels of UK nationals and foreign-born individuals living in social housing: 17 per cent and 18 per cent, respectively. It is not the case that immigrants receive preferential treatment on council housing lists.

 

The immigrant population is almost three times as likely to be in the private rental sector than their UK-born neighbours: 38 per cent compared to 14 per cent.

 

From April this year, new EEA migrant jobseekers have no longer been allowed housing benefit.

 

The housing minister Brandon Lewis commented:

 

Foreign nationals coming to the UK should be under no illusion that they will get free housing if they fall on hard times. They will find no stepping stones to a social home, because we’ve changed the rules so local people have priority.

 

 

 

Can they bring family over?

 

Yes, providing their family members are EU citizens. They will be subject to the same scrutiny as outlined above.

 

 

 

How many migrants are in employment?

 

The latest DWP figures from 2014 show that there are 1.73m EU nationals working in the UK, equal to 5.7 per cent of all people in work. There are 1.19m non-EU nationals working in the UK, which is 3.9 per cent.

 

The employment rate for non-UK born workers is 70 per cent, compared to the 73.2 per cent of UK born workers. The employment rate for EU nationals living in the UK is 79 per cent. This is according to the latest figures, from the April-June 2014 Labour Force Survey.

 

The UK is the only EU country to have a lower unemployment rate for migrants than nationals (7.5 per cent to 7.9 per cent respectively), suggesting a key reason for migration to the UK is to find work.

 

Since the early 2000s, the presence of foreign-born workers has grown fastest in relatively low-skilled jobs.

 

 

 

How many of them claim benefits?

 

Less than 5 per cent of EU migrants are claiming Jobseekers’ Allowance, while less than 10 per cent are claiming other DWP working-age benefits.

 

On top of this, the think tank Class found that of those who claim Jobseekers’ Allowance, 91.5 per cent are UK nationals. Additionally, among unemployed migrants, only 1 per cent claim unemployment benefits, compared to the 4 per cent of unemployed UK nationals who are claimants.

 

Rather than being “benefit tourists”, migrants to the UK make a net contribution, as they pay more in taxes than they take out in benefits. A UCL study this month found that the UK gains £20bn from European migrants. And a study by the OECD last year found that migrants make a net contribution of over £2000 per head.

 

 

Sources: Spokespeople at the Home Office, the Department for Work and Pensions, and the Department for Communities and Local Government; European Commission report, 2012 http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/economic_paper/2012/pdf...4_en.pdf; the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford; the Migration Matters Trust; the Office of National Statistics; the Refugee Council; Turn2Us; the BBC; British Future; Class report Why immigration is good for all of us http://classonline.org.uk/docs/why_immigration_is_good_for_all_of_us.pdf; House of Commons Library: Asylum Statistics, 5 August 2014 file:///Users/anooshchakelian/Downloads/SN01403%20(1).pdf; Eurostat statistics; OECD International Migration Outlook 2013 http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/social-issues-migration-health/international-migration-outlook-2013_migr_outlook-2013-en#page1

 

---------- Post added 28-02-2015 at 14:40 ----------

 

 

All this is not what the european union was set up for.

Not only are we swamped with benefit seekers, we get slapped with a euro bill for doing well!

 

There is no 'swamping' with 'benefit seekers',the above article shows that the laws on immigrants claiming benefits takes the claiming of benefits out of their hands and into the hands of the UK government and the relevent employees of the government who's job it is to process and oversee the claims of iimmigrants for benefits..........this depends on the status of the immigrant with regards to them being in work,in which case they can claim benefits,so they are not 'jobless immigrants seeking benefits'..........this is because of the various tests they have to undertake and the conditions they have to fulfill in relation to them looking for work,working and the time period they have for these things to take place............after the said time period elapses,they are not elegible for benefits if they are not in work and the only way they could get benefits is if these government employees dealing with immigrants and benefits fail to apply the rules set down by the UK government.

[Bonzo77]

It's the millionaire tax-dodgers who want the immigrants to come here, whereas normal working people do not.

 

Speak for yourself.

 

---------- Post added 28-02-2015 at 15:14 ----------

 

Did any of us get a vote on the free for all open borders policy ?

 

No we didnt, we just had it forced on us , and look at the state of this country now.

 

It's a mess. But it's nothing to do with immigration.

[ubermaus]

Upon arriving in this country, what can EU migrants receive in terms of benefits, and when?

 

The government has recently introduced harsher rules for what EU migrants can receive. These include jobseekers from the European Economic Area (EEA) – predominantly migrants from EU states – having to wait three months before they can claim for Jobseekers’ Allowance. This is the same for accessing child benefit and child tax credits.

 

To stay longer than three months, they have to be in work, actively seeking work, or have a genuine chance of being hired. Either that, or they have to prove that they have the resources to remain without being a burden on public services.

 

EU migrants cannot automatically claim benefits after three months. They have to pass a “habitual residence test” under EU law. This covers the individual’s status regarding their duration of stay, activity, income if they are students, family status, and housing situation. Even if they pass this, they can then only claim Jobseekers’ Allowance for six months – after that, only those with a job offer or proof they are likely to find work are allowed to continue claiming.

 

On top of the tests required under EU law, the UK applies an additional test: the “right to reside”. This limits certain benefits. The European Commission sees this as an unfair extra hurdle and has referred the UK to the EU’s Court of Justice on the matter.

 

 

 

How many of them are housed by the state?

 

There are similar levels of UK nationals and foreign-born individuals living in social housing: 17 per cent and 18 per cent, respectively. It is not the case that immigrants receive preferential treatment on council housing lists.

 

The immigrant population is almost three times as likely to be in the private rental sector than their UK-born neighbours: 38 per cent compared to 14 per cent.

 

From April this year, new EEA migrant jobseekers have no longer been allowed housing benefit.

 

The housing minister Brandon Lewis commented:

 

Foreign nationals coming to the UK should be under no illusion that they will get free housing if they fall on hard times. They will find no stepping stones to a social home, because we’ve changed the rules so local people have priority.

 

 

 

Can they bring family over?

 

Yes, providing their family members are EU citizens. They will be subject to the same scrutiny as outlined above.

 

 

 

How many migrants are in employment?

 

The latest DWP figures from 2014 show that there are 1.73m EU nationals working in the UK, equal to 5.7 per cent of all people in work. There are 1.19m non-EU nationals working in the UK, which is 3.9 per cent.

 

The employment rate for non-UK born workers is 70 per cent, compared to the 73.2 per cent of UK born workers. The employment rate for EU nationals living in the UK is 79 per cent. This is according to the latest figures, from the April-June 2014 Labour Force Survey.

 

The UK is the only EU country to have a lower unemployment rate for migrants than nationals (7.5 per cent to 7.9 per cent respectively), suggesting a key reason for migration to the UK is to find work.

 

Since the early 2000s, the presence of foreign-born workers has grown fastest in relatively low-skilled jobs.

 

 

 

How many of them claim benefits?

 

Less than 5 per cent of EU migrants are claiming Jobseekers’ Allowance, while less than 10 per cent are claiming other DWP working-age benefits.

 

On top of this, the think tank Class found that of those who claim Jobseekers’ Allowance, 91.5 per cent are UK nationals. Additionally, among unemployed migrants, only 1 per cent claim unemployment benefits, compared to the 4 per cent of unemployed UK nationals who are claimants.

 

Rather than being “benefit tourists”, migrants to the UK make a net contribution, as they pay more in taxes than they take out in benefits. A UCL study this month found that the UK gains £20bn from European migrants. And a study by the OECD last year found that migrants make a net contribution of over £2000 per head.

 

 

Sources: Spokespeople at the Home Office, the Department for Work and Pensions, and the Department for Communities and Local Government; European Commission report, 2012 http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/economic_paper/2012/pdf...4_en.pdf; the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford; the Migration Matters Trust; the Office of National Statistics; the Refugee Council; Turn2Us; the BBC; British Future; Class report Why immigration is good for all of us http://classonline.org.uk/docs/why_immigration_is_good_for_all_of_us.pdf; House of Commons Library: Asylum Statistics, 5 August 2014 file:///Users/anooshchakelian/Downloads/SN01403%20(1).pdf; Eurostat statistics; OECD International Migration Outlook 2013 http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/social-issues-migration-health/international-migration-outlook-2013_migr_outlook-2013-en#page1

 

---------- Post added 28-02-2015 at 14:40 ----------

 

 

There is no 'swamping' with 'benefit seekers',the above article shows that the laws on immigrants claiming benefits takes the claiming of benefits out of their hands and into the hands of the UK government and the relevent employees of the government who's job it is to process and oversee the claims of iimmigrants for benefits..........this depends on the status of the immigrant with regards to them being in work,in which case they can claim benefits,so they are not 'jobless immigrants seeking benefits'..........this is because of the various tests they have to undertake and the conditions they have to fulfill in relation to them looking for work,working and the time period they have for these things to take place............after the said time period elapses,they are not elegible for benefits if they are not in work and the only way they could get benefits is if these government employees dealing with immigrants and benefits fail to apply the rules set down by the UK government.

 

Tbh im sick and tired of this comparison debate.

If we go to Spain for instance we get jack all. Ditto Romania etc etc Theres an argument then that immigrants should have to work harder to contribute before taking out of the public purse or if they should claim benefits at all. Personally 12 months should be the threshold.

 

---------- Post added 28-02-2015 at 15:36 ----------

 

I should say 'be able to'. Because after all its weak govt that allows this farce.

 

---------- Post added 28-02-2015 at 15:44 ----------

 

Simply put why does the UK not make it very difficult for those with 10 kids living off benefits and blackmarket and make it easier for students and those that work or start a Business.

Either work or study or invest and if your money runs out go home. Not too much to ask is it?

Edited February 28, 2015 by ubermaus
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[hauxwell]

You claimed 110k are on benefits not me. Where do you think these numbers come from?

Its hard data, I posted a link and anyone with half a brain can do the research and draw their own conclusions.

 

---------- Post added 28-02-2015 at 11:01 ----------

 

 

We may have to leave the eu. I cant see why we should be propping up bankrupted countries.

 

We may have to leave the eu. I cant see why we should be propping up bankrupted countries.

 

 

I hope you are right about leaving the EU. The sooner the better. Hopefully before Turkey joins the EU. I think our country is on track for becoming the dustbin of Europe.

[Frederick1]

Did any of us get a vote on the free for all open borders policy ?

 

No we didnt, we just had it forced on us , and look at the state of this country now.

 

When Heath took us in it was the EEC for trade only. The rest of it, the EU, has been brought in by the back door with the public having absolutely no say in it. Worse is to come with TTIP which both Labour and Tories are backing.