the_bloke Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Rubbish reply, and an ironically cheap childish retort. I don't have kids I stopped reading there. I have an 11 year old son. Whilst I've done everything I can to explain sex, from the technical side in conjunction with his school lessons through to the concept of respect and morality and what is right and wrong, I have no problem at all with an alternative source of authority backing me up. I suggest if you want to feel like you really know what you are talking about in this thread, have a frank discussion about rape - both being raped and being a rapist - with your friend's son. If you find it difficult, then perhaps you can start to understand why some parents don't mention the subject due to their own insecurities or beliefs and there is a strong requirement for it to be taught elsewhere. I'll add this as an Edit, as I realise I came across a little harsh (compared to 'ironically childish'). It's well documented that the number of children exposed to pornography by their peers, on mobile 'phones for example, is increasing. These are the very peers that you think are suitable to back up the technical sex education carried out in the classroom, and provide some form of moral support. The last time you watched porn, did you see a discussion about consent beforehand? If the parents don't teach consent and the message from the playground is that 'all girls are up for it', where is this teaching of consent - for their own safety as well as others - coming from? Edited March 10, 2015 by the_bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloom Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I said and agree that age appropriate education should be done in the classroom. Sorry, ash. Must have misread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I stopped reading there. Well, you will have missed what I said then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo68 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Teaching them about rape at 11 in an age appropriate way does seem sensible. Is it intended that we put this as yet another burden on teachers? Whilst I think all parents should have the opportunity for their children to be taught about rape I also can't think of anyone that should have the right to prevent the parents from opting out if they so wish. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 A child of eleven isn't ready for that lesson in human nastiness. Teach them instead never to accept lifts from strangers under any circumstances. Teach them self defence and how to seriously disable an attacker. Teach them how to use a pistol safely and effectively. Merely talking about rape without supplying the know how on how to defend themselves doesn't make much sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 A child of eleven isn't ready for that lesson in human nastiness. Teach them instead never to accept lifts from strangers under any circumstances. Teach them self defence and how to seriously disable an attacker. Teach them how to use a pistol safely and effectively. Merely talking about rape without supplying the know how on how to defend themselves doesn't make much sense Oh dear, as adults we really are in trouble if the above is to be relied upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The time would be better spent educating children about the undesirable affects of smoking, drinking, taking drugs and getting into cars with inexperienced drivers, all of which cause far more harm. Alcohol acts as a sedative on the central nervous system and affects the part of the brain responsible for behaviour and emotion. Your sense of judgment is weakened making you more likley to commit crime including rape, and more likley to consent to sex that you do not want. Most rapists and victims are under the influence of alcohol during the rape so if we can stop children turning into alcohol consuming adults, rapes and other crime will fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The time would be better spent educating children about the undesirable affects of smoking, drinking, taking drugs and getting into cars with inexperienced drivers, all of which cause far more harm. Alcohol acts as a sedative on the central nervous system and affects the part of the brain responsible for behaviour and emotion. Your sense of judgment is weakened making you more likley to commit crime including rape, and more likley to consent to sex that you do not want. Most rapists and victims are under the influence of alcohol during the rape so if we can stop children turning into alcohol consuming adults, rapes and other crime will fall. They do discuss drugs and alcohol as well as other things in the PSE curriculum. The curriculum is all about looking after your self in all sorts of ways, including morality, decision making and planning your own future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 A child of eleven isn't ready for that lesson in human nastiness. Teach them instead never to accept lifts from strangers under any circumstances. Teach them self defence and how to seriously disable an attacker. Teach them how to use a pistol safely and effectively. Merely talking about rape without supplying the know how on how to defend themselves doesn't make much sense Oh dear...So it's best not to teach them about the nastiness of rape...let's teach 11 year olds to shoot, kill or disable someone with a firearm instead.... Makes perfect sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 They do discuss drugs and alcohol as well as other things in the PSE curriculum. The curriculum is all about looking after your self in all sorts of ways, including morality, decision making and planning your own future. If that is the case then it would appear that educating children about the adverse affects of alcohol is ineffective, and an high percentage of those children that have been educated will continue to drink into adulthood and will be responsible for most of the crime in the UK. On average, UK children have their first alcoholic drink at 13 and, by just over 14, hundreds have been drunk for the first time.* A survey of 15 and 16 year olds carried out recently by the Drinkaware Trust** revealed that: 60% regard drinking as a normal part of growing up half of all 11 to 15-year-olds have already tried at least one alcoholic drink with their friends half of 16 and 17 years olds drink at least once a week 60% is an high figure and is much higher than I thought it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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