denlin Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Is it not possible to move the deer rather than culling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Is it not possible to move the deer rather than culling them. Where to please? Sadly there are no natural predators to control the deer population and the country has a big problem with the damage they cause not just to vegetation but to motorists. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/10/culling-deer-no-brainer-woodland http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29754622 As someone who lived in places like Sweden and Newfoundland I have seen the damage wild life can do to cars and their occupants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detetcive Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 So its a cull to keep the balance of wildlife, not the first one wont be the last. They should be weeding out the old and weak animals making way for a healthy stock. Yes. Deer culls take place all the time and the meat is eaten. Don't see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 As someone who lived in places like Sweden and Newfoundland I have seen the damage wild life can do to cars and their occupants. Yes, wasn't a manager at Saab killed after his vehicle collided with an elk several years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Yes, wasn't a manager at Saab killed after his vehicle collided with an elk several years ago? When I was working up in Sweden a German Prof and his passenger hit an elk and both the elk and the occupants died. In Newfoundland the town has warnings on their website for visitors. http://www.town.stanthony.nf.ca/moose_advisory.php Be careful out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damageandy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 This month the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds is shooting large numbers of red deer on Bigmoor and surrounding areas. They would prefer the public did not know about this because they believe it’s a sensitive issue. There’s been no press information and no notices on the moors. A letter in today’s Sheffield Telegraph from Friends of Blackamoor draws attention to it for the first time. You might think that a charity dedicated to wildlife would only kill wildlife after considering every possible option and when problems have become critical over a long time. But this is not so in this case. Just over a year before they decided to kill deer the RSPB senior manager told a meeting of conservationists and environmentalists that they were having to put cows and sheep on the moors because there were nowhere near enough deer to manage the vegetation the way they wanted. Now they are killing a large number while continuing to graze with cows. They have deliberately kept this quiet, supposedly because they think the public is not mature enough to understand. Has that happened elsewhere recently? Its because they cause alot of damage some would even say devastation to woodland, which is completly different to what sheep and cows do - thier grazing habits are different. They havnt tried to keep it quiet its a national issue thats had loads of press attention over the years. Deer are a rapidly expanding population which has no real natural predators to keep them under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchfrie Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Its because they cause alot of damage some would even say devastation to woodland, which is completly different to what sheep and cows do - thier grazing habits are different. They havnt tried to keep it quiet its a national issue thats had loads of press attention over the years. Deer are a rapidly expanding population which has no real natural predators to keep them under control. I've got to totally disagree here. The Wildlife Trust actually encourage cutting down the woodland / trees on Blackamoor - birch bashing I think is their way of describing this. If wild deer are doing this job why do they need to too? Deer make their own way across the moor avoiding places where others go. Cows trample and follow footpaths and gather at gates leaving steaming pats and mud and basically create an unholy mess. It all goes back to the basic fact that stick cows or sheep up on the moor then that attracts farming subsidies (allegedly). But cows need to be fenced in hence the barbed wire the Wildlife Trust put up around Blacka. And I go up on Blacka very often and have seen at first hand what damage has been done to the true wildlife by being caught on the barbed wire. A wildlife trust with their first thoughts for wildlife? Doesn't come across that way to me. If there's too much damage being done then take the cattle and sheep off, get rid of the barbed wire, stop the birch bashing and poisoning of the fern and let just one tiny corner revert to how nature intended to be. And don't forget that is in complete keeping with J G Graves covenant not some agricultural drive to eek out more funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 There are a couple of ways to solve the problem and one was covered on the BBC news website yesterday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31813207 Bring back the lynx and the other solution would be to reintroduce the wolf, we would probably not need to cull then they would do the job for us. I have been lucky enough to have seen the lynx in the wild and it is a magnificent creature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Meldrew Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Deer are a rapidly expanding population which has no real natural predators to keep them under control. Methinks it's humans that better fit this description. The rspb do a lot of good things and this may be one of them. There may have been an extensive study with outside bodies and other conservation groups and, as it's the biggest in Europe, it's the rspb fronting it and it could very much be the right decision. But, in my opinion, they don't always get it right. I've been a member of the RSPB for 25+ years, until this year when I withdrew my support. I tried to engage with them over another issue where I felt they were behaving inappropriately but they just didn't want to know. I've found the reserve staff are great but the 'senior' staff at The Lodge are far too arrogant to engage with members who dare to question what they do. Unfortunately our clash of values was such that I felt I could no longer give my support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beansforyou Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 "As someone who lived in places like Sweden and Newfoundland I have seen the damage wild life can do to cars and their occupants." Compared to the opposite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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