Running for exercise is dangerous

[Cyclone]

Yes, program driverless cars to drive safely.

 

So you've observed it from where, the other carriageway?

 

You mention a blind corner. You know what you should do? And what should be programmed. Slowing down! Because you also can't predict if there's a sheep, a horse or a tractor around that corner.

Travel at a speed whereby you can stop within the distance that you can see.

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 14:54 ----------

 

I don't expect them to go elsewhere. As I said above, I run on country lanes myself.

 

But I step aside when approached. As should all runners.

I certainly didn't say that a pedestrian shouldn't be considerate.

 

I don't have this inconsiderate notion that everyone else going about their business should be affected by me moving slower.

 

That's arrogant, inconsiderate and selfish.

 

The OP quite clearly expects them not to use such roads, that's selfish, and that's what I said. Both the cars and the pedestrians on the road have to respect each other, move aside, slow down, pass appropriately.

 

(Didn't you say that there were plenty of alternatives, implying that the pedestrians shouldn't be there at all?)

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 14:55 ----------

 

Runners can run in the gym, at the park, over fells and on pavements etc. etc. etc.

 

Yes, you are quite clearly implying that they shouldn't be there.

[altus]

Even driverless cars can't predict what's around a blind corner (yet), and before you attempt yet another comeback - I doubt any of us approach a blind corner at a speed slow enough to be expecting a runner on the road in front of us...

From the Highway code:

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Take extra care on country roads and reduce your speed at approaches to bends, which can be sharper than they appear, and at junctions and turnings, which may be partially hidden. Be prepared for pedestrians, horse riders, cyclists, slow-moving farm vehicles or mud on the road surface. Make sure you can stop within the distance you can see to be clear. You should also reduce your speed where country roads enter villages.

 

What you are doing is demonstrating that you're a poor driver.

[Bottletop]

Yes, you are quite clearly implying that they shouldn't be there.

 

That's right - a road is used by fast moving traffic, running on that road isn't a good idea.

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 15:22 ----------

 

From the Highway code:

 

What you are doing is demonstrating that you're a poor driver.

 

Strange that, I've been driving cars and motorbikes for 22 years now and never had an accident nor ever had points on my licence.

I drive like most, sensibly and within reason. I don't drive like I expect a runner to be in the road round the next bend - otherwise I'd be slowing to 10mph for every curve I can't see round. I do drive with the concentration and ability to avoid things like this if I need to.

 

I take it then that you follow every bit of advice in the highway code and are perfect - how long have you been driving and have you had any accidents or points?

- Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that!

[Cyclone]

Roads are used by pedestrians, cyclists, slow motor traffic, goods traffic and cars. Get used to it because it's not going to change.

 

What will you do on the day you find a tractor around the corner then?

[F. Sidebottom]

Yes, program driverless cars to drive safely.

 

So you've observed it from where, the other carriageway?

 

You mention a blind corner. You know what you should do? And what should be programmed. Slowing down! Because you also can't predict if there's a sheep, a horse or a tractor around that corner.

Travel at a speed whereby you can stop within the distance that you can see.

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 14:54 ----------

 

I certainly didn't say that a pedestrian shouldn't be considerate.

 

The OP quite clearly expects them not to use such roads, that's selfish, and that's what I said. Both the cars and the pedestrians on the road have to respect each other, move aside, slow down, pass appropriately.

 

(Didn't you say that there were plenty of alternatives, implying that the pedestrians shouldn't be there at all?)

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 14:55 ----------

 

 

Yes, you are quite clearly implying that they shouldn't be there.

 

I never implied they shouldn't be there.

 

What I have said is that there are plenty of alternative places for them to be, that in my opinion, as a runner, are much better and safer.

 

And I said that they should be considerate if they do choose to be on the roads. Because the majority of the rest of the road users don't have a choice other than to be there.

 

You on the other hand arrogantly stated that they can be there if they want and everyone else should put up with it. A great big two fingered salute.

[denlin]

That's right - a road is used by fast moving traffic, running on that road isn't a good idea.

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 15:22 ----------

 

 

Strange that, I've been driving cars and motorbikes for 22 years now and never had an accident nor ever had points on my licence.

I drive like most, sensibly and within reason. I don't drive like I expect a runner to be in the road round the next bend - otherwise I'd be slowing to 10mph for every curve I can't see round. I do drive with the concentration and ability to avoid things like this if I need to.

 

I take it then that you follow every bit of advice in the highway code and are perfect - how long have you been driving and have you had any accidents or points?

- Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that!

 

When you can't see round a bend your commonsense should tell you to slow down. It's called thinking ahead. One day you might encounter as previous poster said a slow moving tractor so you should drive like there may be an obstacle you can't see round the next bend whatever that obstacle may be or you will one day meet the immovaable object. I have had a clean licence for 30 odd years

[Bottletop]

I've found plenty of slow tractors round bends in my time driving, and been prepared to slow and avoid them as necessary (and have done) thanks very much.

 

Going back to the OP - That doesn't mean it's safe and ok for runners to be in this situation when there's loads of other places for them to run which are safer.

[hyper]

I.... and I agree they also appear to have very little regard for the group of road users that contribute most to their upkeep.

 

Of course other runners and people from other similar and equally selfish groups will not agree.

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ha ha ha. Just say it .... ROAD TAX ... but you cant cos that argument is flawed.

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 16:27 ----------

 

Another arrogant know it all reply.

 

Runners can run in the gym, at the park, over fells and on pavements etc. etc. etc.

 

I can't drive my car in any of those places.

yeah, and those with mobility scooters can stick to hospital wards and old peoples homes. How dare they use roads?

 

---------- Post added 25-03-2015 at 16:30 ----------

 

This can lead to the future of driverless cars dilemma too. What do you program driverless cars to do, avoid the runner on the road and crash into the oncoming truck killing yourself - or miss the truck but killing the runner in the process?

 

Theoretically by bringing this issue to point, the runners could be advised not to run on roads endangering themselves and others and avoid possible accidents like these in the first place.

If that really becomes the case, then driverless cars are not safe and should not be implemented ... unless it's a motorway scenario with "trains" of cars driving in unison

[ubermaus]

So, of course running is an excellent way to keep fit and loads of people do it. Plus there's so many places you can do this - gyms, parks, canal sides, in the countryside, housing estates.... the list goes on.

 

My questions is this - why on earth do some people choose to exercise by running along a busy country road, that has no pavement, during rush hour!?

This slows traffic down causing delays, makes cars have to via onto the opposite side of the road to get past and generally creates more danger to themselves and other people than is necessary.

 

I've noticed this more and more recently, as the weather improves, daylight lasts for longer and I guess some people are starting to get that 'Spring' feeling of exercising for the summer - just seems a daft place for doing it.

 

Running is a high impact way to get fit...your joints will be knackered

[Cyclone]

I've found plenty of slow tractors round bends in my time driving, and been prepared to slow and avoid them as necessary (and have done) thanks very much.

 

Well runners are smaller than tractors, and therefore much easier to avoid.

 

---------- Post added 26-03-2015 at 07:38 ----------

 

I never implied they shouldn't be there.

 

What I have said is that there are plenty of alternative places for them to be, that in my opinion, as a runner, are much better and safer.

 

And I said that they should be considerate if they do choose to be on the roads. Because the majority of the rest of the road users don't have a choice other than to be there.

 

You on the other hand arrogantly stated that they can be there if they want and everyone else should put up with it. A great big two fingered salute.

 

Both of which come to the same conclusion, runners can and will be there. I certainly didn't say that they shouldn't be considerate, but drivers have to put it up with it either way.

And the tone of the response was in direct response to the tone of the OP.

 

---------- Post added 26-03-2015 at 07:39 ----------

 

Oh, and this is what you claimed was arrogant.

 

Another "I'm a selfish motorist and the roads are only for me" thread.

 

When in fact, given the OPs ongoing posts, it seems to be entirely accurate.