Syria Girl’s Dad On Al Muhajiroun March

[Tommo68]

To be honest its time the media stopped making a fuss about this whole stiry and giving it unnecessary attention.

 

The girls went, to either marry terrorists and one assumes either produce more terrorists, or to become suicide bombers.

 

Frankly who really cares, if they think like that we are well rid of them and we should never let them back in the country.

 

If they do cahnge their minds at a later date, tough... they made their lifestyle choice and it was a life-time choice.

 

There are far more interesting issues that need attention instead of this obvious distraction.

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[Eater Sundae]

To be honest its time the media stopped making a fuss about this whole stiry and giving it unnecessary attention.

 

The girls went, to either marry terrorists and one assumes either produce more terrorists, or to become suicide bombers.

 

Frankly who really cares, if they think like that we are well rid of them and we should never let them back in the country.

 

If they do cahnge their minds at a later date, tough... they made their lifestyle choice and it was a life-time choice.

 

There are far more interesting issues that need attention instead of this obvious distraction.

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I don't think it is necessarily that simple. We are concerned when people in a position of influence over children use that position for their own ends, be that parents, family friends, teachers, doctors, TV celebrities etc who sexually groom or otherwise assault a child. We do not blame the victim in these cases. Yet if children are brought up in environments (not chosen by them) that inspire them to travel to Syria and join IS, be it by their parents or religious leaders, then are they somehow more culpable. Is that fair?

Edited March 28, 2015 by Eater Sundae

[mafya]

I don't think it is necessarily that simple. We are concerned when people in a position of influence over children use that position for their own ends, be that parents, family friends, teachers, doctors, TV celebrities etc who sexually groom or otherwise assault a child. We do not blame the victim in these cases. Yet if children are brought up in environments (not chosen by them) that inspire them to travel to Syria and join IS, be it by their parents or religious leaders, then are they somehow more culpable. Is that fair?

 

A very good point...

[Snapshot]

A very good point...

 

Whooosh!

[astrols]

I don't think it is necessarily that simple. We are concerned when people in a position of influence over children use that position for their own ends, be that parents, family friends, teachers, doctors, TV celebrities etc who sexually groom or otherwise assault a child. We do not blame the victim in these cases. Yet if children are brought up in environments (not chosen by them) that inspire them to travel to Syria and join IS, be it by their parents or religious leaders, then are they somehow more culpable. Is that fair?

 

As Mafya says - it's a good point. We are concerned when these people abuse or assault children. When they're very young the Social Services take them into care and hope that the placement they choose will ensure a more stable and suitable upbriniging for these children. This week a High Court Judge has decreed that a Rotherham man and his wife have no right to have their children because he is too domineering & insists that the occasional smack does no harm and his wife, to no avail, agrees that he is not aggressive or violent.The children were still taken in to care. Does that ruling set a precedent that a Muslim upbringing is also too domineering in that the parents insist on their children being taught the Qur'ran that implicitly decrees that parents teach their children that it is their duty to promote their ideals by fair means or foul? And if that is the case, do we then start taking all Muslim children into care to protect them from that? Is that fair?

Edited March 29, 2015 by astrols

[mafya]

Whooosh!

 

Whoosh Bang and wallop! it actually was a serious point that was raised its just you who wasn't intelligent enough to comprehend it. In some cases it may be that parents with extremist views teach their kids the same but you also get that with some extremist non Muslim racist parents too.

 

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As Mafya says - it's a good point. We are concerned when these people abuse or assault children. When they're very young the Social Services take them into care and hope that the placement they choose will ensure a more stable and suitable upbriniging for these children. This week a High Court Judge has decreed that a Rotherham man and his wife have no right to have their children because he is too domineering & insists that the occasional smack does no harm and his wife, to no avail, agrees that he is not aggressive or violent.The children were still taken in to care. Does that ruling set a precedent that a Muslim upbringing is also too domineering in that the parents insist on their children being taught the Qur'ran that implicitly decrees that parents teach their children that it is their duty to promote their ideals by fair means or foul? And if that is the case, do we then start taking all Muslim children into care to protect them from that? Is that fair?

 

my bold=

What a load of tosh, muslim parents teaching us to learn about the Quraan is not domineering just the same way other religions teaching their kids about the holy scriptures/books of their religion isn't domineering. You may get the odd extremist muslim parent teaching extremist ways to their kids but you are making it sound as if it is the norm with muslim parents.

I think your hatred of Islam/muslims is making you come out with stupid comments like the one in bold.

Maybe parents with veiws like yours about muslims need their children taking off them as they are at risk of growing up as muslim haters.

Edited March 29, 2015 by mafya

[loraward]

Whoosh Bang and wallop! it actually was a serious point that was raised its just you who wasn't intelligent enough to comprehend it. In some cases it may be that parents with extremist views teach their kids the same but you also get that with some extremist non Muslim racist parents too.

 

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my bold=

What a load of tosh, muslim parents teaching us to learn about the Quraan is not domineering just the same way other religions teaching their kids about the holy scriptures/books of their religion isn't domineering. You may get the odd extremist muslim parent teaching extremist ways to their kids but you are making it sound as if it is the norm with muslim parents.

I think your hatred of Islam/muslims is making you come out with stupid comments like the one in bold.

Maybe parents with veiws like yours about muslims need their children taking off them as they are at risk of growing up as muslim haters.

 

How would you solve the problem of Muslims becoming radicalised and joining IS?

To date I don't think British Involvement in Islamic countries as radicalised anyone other than Muslims, so the problem must be within the Islamic community.

[Frederick1]

Is the photo of him at an extremist muslim rally not credible evidence?

 

It is also on some of the Armed Forces sites I visit!

The condemnation on there is rather more pointed!!!

 

[charmer]

Whoosh Bang and wallop! it actually was a serious point that was raised its just you who wasn't intelligent enough to comprehend it. In some cases it may be that parents with extremist views teach their kids the same but you also get that with some extremist non Muslim racist parents too.

 

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my bold=

What a load of tosh, muslim parents teaching us to learn about the Quraan is not domineering just the same way other religions teaching their kids about the holy scriptures/books of their religion isn't domineering. You may get the odd extremist muslim parent teaching extremist ways to their kids but you are making it sound as if it is the norm with muslim parents.

I think your hatred of Islam/muslims is making you come out with stupid comments like the one in bold.

Maybe parents with veiws like yours about muslims need their children taking off them as they are at risk of growing up as muslim haters.

 

 

 

The imposition of Abrahamic faith on children is absolutely domineering Mafya.

 

Were you given a choice as to the religion in which you were indoctrinated into? Did your folks go "Hey we are Muslims, but we are not forcing you to be, should you want to be Jewish/Christian/Polytheistic etc we will support you in every way".

 

Or, did they rather arrogantly assert their baseless belief in the supernatural on you as a youngster to the degree that you were indoctrinated? Just as their parents did to them?

 

Domineering means to assert will over someone in an arrogant way.

 

For a parent to assume that their child should be the same religion as them, despite the fact there is no evidence to support the theory (and actually an adundence of evidence that directly contradicts large swathes of the theory) and to impose on them that belief, is the very definition of domineering.

[RootsBooster]

The imposition of Abrahamic faith on children is absolutely domineering Mafya.

 

Were you given a choice as to the religion in which you were indoctrinated into? Did your folks go "Hey we are Muslims, but we are not forcing you to be, should you want to be Jewish/Christian/Polytheistic etc we will support you in every way".

 

Or, did they rather arrogantly assert their baseless belief in the supernatural on you as a youngster to the degree that you were indoctrinated? Just as their parents did to them?

 

Domineering means to assert will over someone in an arrogant way.

 

For a parent to assume that their child should be the same religion as them, despite the fact there is no evidence to support the theory (and actually an adundence of evidence that directly contradicts large swathes of the theory) and to impose on them that belief, is the very definition of domineering.

Mafya, Charmer is correct, if the child is raised to believe in something and he/she has no choice in the matter, that is domineering on the parents' part.

Regardless of which religion it is.

 

The parents may be unaware of it and they may mean well but it doesn't change the fact.