Daven Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Are you advocating eugenics? http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEgQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2Feugenics&ei=6cMbVeTsN-eP7AaamIG4DA&usg=AFQjCNHOc5p8I1osF49M9jDFdCnMUiuwNA&bvm=bv.89744112,d.ZGU It's been suggested by some 'interesting' people in the past. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=adolf+hitler+pictures&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZMUbVdKyA6W67gbRmYD4BA&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=761 This person and his buddies for example ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I would agree if it was linked to the forced sterilization of anyone deemed unfit to parent, but the state as decided that everyone as the right to reproduce so it should also accept that everyone as the right to bring up their offspring as they see fit. Why should it, the two things don't go hand in hand, there is no logic to support your statement, it's just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 When the state abducts children from their biological parents, those people become incapable of being good parents, for the simple reason that you can't parent a child you are forbidden to see. When someone has kids but allows the state to care for them instead of caring for them themselves, they have demonstrated their inability to parent. Anyone who believes in the forced abduction of children from parents is also in my opinion unfit to parent. Anyone who believes that taking money from caring parents to support the children produced by freckles uncaring breeding machines is also unfit to parent. I don't think that it's possible to argue with someone who holds such entrenched views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Are you advocating eugenics? http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEgQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2Feugenics&ei=6cMbVeTsN-eP7AaamIG4DA&usg=AFQjCNHOc5p8I1osF49M9jDFdCnMUiuwNA&bvm=bv.89744112,d.ZGU It's been suggested by some 'interesting' people in the past. It's aim isn't to improve the genetic quality of the human population so it can't be described as eugenics. ---------- Post added 01-04-2015 at 11:22 ---------- Good, so you have no suggestion how the state could forcibly sterilise people. I'm glad we knocked that little suggestion on the head. The state already uses secret courts to determine if someone is fit to parent, once they have been deemed unfit by the state they would be sterilized. ---------- Post added 01-04-2015 at 11:23 ---------- Why should it, the two things don't go hand in hand, there is no logic to support your statement, it's just an opinion. Of cause its just an opinion, just like your opinions are just opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daven Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 http://www.ushmm.org/learn/students/learning-materials-and-resources/mentally-and-physically-handicapped-victims-of-the-nazi-era/forced-sterilization Some on here need to read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I don't think that it's possible to argue with someone who holds such entrenched views. Yes I am finding it little difficult but I am happy to continue trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I have no idea. I think you do but that's another story. if the state must interfere then it should stop some people reproducing rather than allowing them to reproduce and then taking the children into care. Again, you fail to explain how. I believe the state should either interfere in someones right to parent and conceive or not interfere at all. So which is it? Your preference that is. Your guide to male and female sterilisation. Nothing in there that mentions 'forced'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 http://www.ushmm.org/learn/students/learning-materials-and-resources/mentally-and-physically-handicapped-victims-of-the-nazi-era/forced-sterilization Some on here need to read this. That appears to suggest that with our current reproductive trends the available workforce will decline, whilst the people in need of support will increase, the consequences of such a trend will be be disastrous for the country. ---------- Post added 01-04-2015 at 11:29 ---------- I think you do but that's another story. Again, you fail to explain how. So which is it? Your preference that is. Nothing in there that mentions 'forced'. I did explain how, sterilization stops people reproducing and I even posted a link so that you could better understand the process of sterilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Of cause its just an opinion, just like your opinions are just opinions. But as pointed out, your opinions are illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 So which is it? Your preference that is. Either, one or the other with no half way house, supporting someones right to reproduce uncontrollably by taking money from the children brought up by caring parents is immoral. ---------- Post added 01-04-2015 at 11:33 ---------- But as pointed out, your opinions are illogical. In your opinion, which is after all just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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