This is Britain- Lord Janner won't face court

[Jim Hardie]

I remember Harold Wilson's close friend, lord Ganex (yes, he of the raincoats) was "done" for (I think it's it was) embezzlement.

 

He was sent to prison, but was released after a very short time, on "compassionate grounds", when he developed Alzheimers / dementia.

 

Almost as soon as those prison gates closed, with him on the outside of them, he miraculously recovered.

 

The cynic in me awaits a similar recovery by Jenner.

 

Ernest Saunders too.

[Guest sibon]

If he's medically unfit there's no sensible other outcome. Does nothing to help any victims of course which is the awful thing about it.

 

I don't agree. Putting the evidence before a court would be very powerful. It might also encourage others to speak up, so that some more of this vile conspiracy could be untangled.

 

The people who made this decision should be rigorously investigated and held to account.

[Plain Talker]

I don't agree. Putting the evidence before a court would be very powerful. It might also encourage others to speak up, so that some more of this vile conspiracy could be untangled.

 

The people who made this decision should be rigorously investigated and held to account.

 

A prosecution even if he is not jailed, due to the dementia, would bring justice and closure to those he assaulted. They would also be able to claim from the criminal injuries compensation board for what they suffered.

 

Simon Wiesenthal did not rest until he brought as many of the nazis who committed atrocities in the holocaust to justice.

I remember reading of a man in his nineties being tried, under Wiesenthal's pursuit, and convicted despite his age and infirmity.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Plain Talker

[I1L2T3]

I don't agree. Putting the evidence before a court would be very powerful. It might also encourage others to speak up, so that some more of this vile conspiracy could be untangled.

 

The people who made this decision should be rigorously investigated and held to account.

 

I agree something should be done to help the victims but somebody without their faculties can't be expected to be fit to make a plea. If they aren't fit to plead then how can they be tried?

 

Basically if you believe, because of the severity of the offences, that this trial should happen regardless then it could set a precedent for other mentally-compromised people being tried even if they can't plead. We don't want that. Think about the bigger picture.

[loraward]

I don't agree. Putting the evidence before a court would be very powerful. It might also encourage others to speak up, so that some more of this vile conspiracy could be untangled.

 

The people who made this decision should be rigorously investigated and held to account.

 

The accused surely have the right to defend themselves and for them to be able to do that they need to be of sound mind.

 

---------- Post added 16-04-2015 at 19:46 ----------

 

A prosecution even if he is not jailed, due to the dementia, would bring justice and closure to those he assaulted. They would also be able to claim from the criminal injuries compensation board for what they suffered.

 

 

Assuming he was found guilty but how would he get a fair trail when he is unable to defend himself or understand the charges?

Edited April 16, 2015 by loraward

[ronthenekred]

No charges are to be brought against Lord Jenner.

 

Aged 86 and suffering from dementia he gets off scot free, uncharged from allegations that go back 25 years.

 

All the evidence in the world that any prosecution service needs yet the public interest would not be served. Codswallop of course as there is compelling evidence, victims who need justice and a population that expects no one to be above the law.

 

He could even have been tried in his absence. That's what the police wanted but the CPS knows best. Of course.

 

Jenner has Alzheimer's. He forgets. He forgot all about it when he stood up in the House of Commons and refuted the allegations years ago. Oh, and those 'health problems' arose when the Police came to call. In the same month he visited the House of Commons 12 times. Functioning pretty normally it seems.

 

Quite clear then that the law doesn't apply to the establishment figures with connections. It was bad enough when Saville got away with it but clearly nothing has been learned since.

 

Those who have been prosecuted [ or wrongly had to answer such charges] didn't have friends in the corridors of power.

 

A publicist, an actor, a DJ ................ means days in court. But a politician remains above the law.

 

This is Britain.

 

It would be interesting to know what grounds the CPS have that the police don't have in relation to Jenner's mental and physical health. Has there been a full medical review of his health and if there was was there a second independent assessment.

 

I know personally of someone who suffers Alzheimer's and holds down a full time job, she even helps others with the condition on a voluntary basis.

[SALLY18]

Perhaps the CPS and the Police know that by bringing the case to court it will also involve implicating others of similar status to the case.

[Anna B]

There are rules which determine if a defendant is fit to stand trial, they probably just followed the rules that apply to everyone.

 

 

“The CPS has concluded that Lord Greville Janner should not be prosecuted because of the severity of his dementia which means he is not fit to take part in any proceedings, there is no treatment for his condition, and there is no current or future risk of offending.”

 

The CPS statement said: “Had the previous decisions been to prosecute, as they should have been, Lord Janner would have had the opportunity to challenge the evidence and defend himself through the trial process, with a jury ultimately deciding on his guilt or innocence some years ago.”

 

Why would we trust the CPS? Establishment figures all.

 

As has been said, he was fit enough the attend the house of Lords until his home was raided by the police and the noose began to tighten.

 

Surely this is a case for some good undercover investagative journalists. They can find out if he seems fit enough to stand trial.

[loraward]

Why would we trust the CPS? Establishment figures all.

 

As has been said, he was fit enough the attend the house of Lords until his home was raided by the police and the noose began to tighten.

 

Surely this is a case for some good undercover investagative journalists. They can find out if he seems fit enough to stand trial.

 

I can't imagine what that would be like but I would guess that it could cause some major psychological problems for an old man.

 

Dementia can be caused by high blood pressure, high blood pressure can be caused by stress, I would hazard a guess that such accusations are very stressful for the accused, especially if they are 86 years old. I've known people be fit and active one day and dead a few weeks later, especially when they are old.

[Mister M]

I can't imagine what that would be like but I would guess that it could cause some major psychological problems for an old man.

 

Dementia can be caused by high blood pressure, high blood pressure can be caused by stress, I would hazard a guess that such accusations are very stressful for the accused, especially if they are 86 years old. I've known people be fit and active one day and dead a few weeks later, especially when they are old.

 

Rolf Harris was hardly a spring chicken, but he went in the dock all the same - I believe he was 84 when he stood trial.