sgtkate Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The thing I don't understand about all this, is that it cannot SIMPLY just be the number of guns. There has to be something fundamentally wrong about American culture or psyche. As has been said many times, Canada has only very partially restricted gun laws but doesn't seem to have many massacres, Switzerland has more guns than people and again doesn't seem to suffer massacres. America appears to have a great deal more in common with countries it likes to invade or bomb than then rest of the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Nearly but not quite. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The first part is the interesting part because it shows that the 2nd Amendment is a historic reference that has no relevance in 2015. The USA in 2015 is a free state with a standing army. There is no need of a separate militia, especially when the standing army has nuclear weapons at its disposal. The 2nd Amendment could just be dispensed with. I agree, but I'm countering the argument that it's unconstitutional to restrict the sale of guns to Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Nearly but not quite. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The first part is the interesting part because it shows that the 2nd Amendment is a historic reference that has no relevance in 2015. The USA in 2015 is a free state with a standing army. There is no need of a separate militia, especially when the standing army has nuclear weapons at its disposal. I always thought the right to keep and bear arms was included in the bill so that Americans could defend themselves against a tyrannical government rather than invaders or military enemies (which the army would typically take responsibility for). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Ok, I stand corrected, but you get the point of the post. If you headed of into the country side to go hunting with a Bazooka or riding a fully functioning M47 tank, I don't think that 2nd Amendment would be accepted as a defence. As RootsBooster has said, even the sale of guns are restricted. The only thing that stopping even tighter restrictions is the lack of will to do so. Not the Constitution. Well no, because they are not "arms" in the sense that a militia would carry. The context is clear that it means personal small arms and not howitzers for example... ---------- Post added 06-10-2015 at 16:32 ---------- Sky news just reports a college in Philadelphia is in lockdown and a gunman is on campus. Nerves? Or another shooting about to unfold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Well no, because they are not "arms" in the sense that a militia would carry. The context is clear that it means personal small arms and not howitzers for example... I'm sure that that is an often used argument, but it's not an insurmountable argument. If we're going to stick to the context of protecting the population from a tyrannical government, then what good would personal small arms do against a tyrannical government nowadays? An alternative argument would be - if argument you put forward is accepted, then only allow similar weaponry to the militias of the day. Single shot, slow loading, low power weapons to people that train and meet up like a community militia. ---------- Post added 06-10-2015 at 16:37 ---------- Sky news just reports a college in Philadelphia is in lockdown and a gunman is on campus. Nerves? Or another shooting about to unfold? Lets hope that it's just an over reaction to something entirely innocent. Edited October 6, 2015 by JFKvsNixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Sky news just reports a college in Philadelphia is in lockdown and a gunman is on campus. Nerves? Or another shooting about to unfold? Either way, nowt anyone can do about these things (Hopefully it'll end without any deaths) ---------- Post added 06-10-2015 at 16:40 ---------- Ok, I stand corrected, but you get the point of the post. If you headed of into the country side to go hunting with a Bazooka or riding a fully functioning M47 tank, I don't think that 2nd Amendment would be accepted as a defence. As RootsBooster has said, even the sale of guns are restricted. The only thing that stopping even tighter restrictions is the lack of will to do so. Not the Constitution. If I remember correctly, you're allowed to buy a bazooka (in the US) as long as you don't keep the ammunition within a certain distance of the weapon. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It's not legal to buy a brand new fully automatic AK-47 though. Doesn't that depend on which state you're in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If I remember correctly, you're allowed to buy a bazooka (in the US) as long as you don't keep the ammunition within a certain distance of the weapon. Or something like that. I'm still reeling from the news that any potential Colonel Kilgore could buy a fully functioning flamethrower in the USA, to be able to take in any more revelations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I'm still reeling from the news that any potential Colonel Kilgore could buy a fully functioning flamethrower in the USA, to be able to take in any more revelations. I'm not sure that it would be illegal to buy one in the UK either. I'm unsure if it would fall under the Firearms act in the UK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Doesn't that depend on which state you're in? No . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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