Mr Bloom Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yes the German system is great but it involves management and unions working together for the common good ie the profitability of the company. Something our brothers and sisters in the Trade Unions are not prepared to do. I'm sure English workers would welcome the rates of pay, working conditions, and respect that their German counterparts are afforded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fogey Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Odd the ONS disagrees. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/resources/15ftgwpubpriv_tcm77-385406.png Are you saying you didn't even receive a small inflationary pay-rise between 2008 and 2010? at the level of national pay award perhaps, but local institutions still have to balance their own budgets. Changes to terms and conditions caused what technically resulted in a slight drop in pay overall. Except for this year, wonder what could be happening this year to change things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodmally Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 I'm sure English workers would welcome the rates of pay, working conditions, and respect that their German counterparts are afforded. Thats because management and unions work together. Where as over here the unions seem to take take take. How would you feel if you were a manager and found someone taking money from you. You fire them and then the unions go out on strike as is the case with First a while a go. Also with BA the cabin crews went on strike due to loss of travel perks. Yet BA was suffering huge losses as a business. Obviously the workers cared more about free travel than they do about their own business they work for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 But what did the strikers hope to achieve. If TFL had acted unlawfully an appeal judge would rule and they would have to pay out compensation. Also as someone has pointed out he cannot work now because of his condition meaning that if he was working he would put lives at risk. Why dont unions see that instead of their narrowminded everyone out. Slightly off-topic but genuine questions..are they saying that the hand held devices react to things other than alcohol or that alcohol was there but not because of having had a drink..if it's the latter how is that different to having alcohol there because of having a drink? I don't think that the unions were claiming anything other than the Tube company should have followed due process giving the sacked driver an option of a disciplinary hearing so he could have stated his case instead of dismissing him on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Slightly off-topic but genuine questions..are they saying that the hand held devices react to things other than alcohol or that alcohol was there but not because of having had a drink..if it's the latter how is that different to having alcohol there because of having a drink? They can do. A breathalyzer doesn't measure alcohol - it first oxidises this to an aldehyde and then to a carboxylic acid and then uses that to create a voltage on a pH electrode. If you have a similar molecule like a ketone which is found in diabetics breath if they are having a sugar crisis you can get a similar effect that makes them blow positive on some older machines. IF you have a newer fuel cell machine (as I understood the LU ground to be) then this problem is no longer an issue as the machines are much more selective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloom Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Thats because management and unions work together. Where as over here the unions seem to take take take. Yeah, the unions are so powerful, aren't they? I forgot. Forgot about the decent pay awards that NHS frontline staff have been getting, and the improved working conditions, all because their unions are so powerful....I wonder what union the Chief Execs are in? You're talking about unions taking - do you mean working for their members, to get a better deal? The workers at the bottom of the pile, can't just decide to retire for 24 hours to get access to their pensions and reinstate themselves, can they? Not like those real takers at the top, who take it all for themselves. The trouble is our government lost all moral authority on this when they too were feathering their own nests out of the public purse. Edited April 21, 2015 by Mr Bloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Boomer- Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) The right are getting desperate now. Better the 1970s and 1980s than the Victorian years which is where we are heading under Cameron and co. Remind us who was in government throughout the 1980s Edited April 21, 2015 by -Boomer- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 at the level of national pay award perhaps, but local institutions still have to balance their own budgets. Changes to terms and conditions caused what technically resulted in a slight drop in pay overall. Except for this year, wonder what could be happening this year to change things. There is the problem. You as a public sector worker identify inflationary par rises as no pay-rise, while us in the private sector were losing our jobs. I put it that is this the reason why the public was by and large apathetic to your protests and complains that you where being treated badly by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I think you may have this the wrong way round. Not many UK companies welcome trade union representation or works councils which include worker representation. In fact, they actively discourage any worker involvement in decision making. How very anti-paternalistic of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthedog Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yes the German system is great but it involves management and unions working together for the common good ie the profitability of the company. Something our brothers and sisters in the Trade Unions are not prepared to do. The Germans have seen what communism is like, firsthand. The unions over here aspire to communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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