Why is telling girls to be careful rape apologistic

[Padders]

Would you offer the same advice for visiting a bar near the beach?

 

Twisting things round again snaily.

[SnailyBoy]

This could get boring.

 

I'm just trying to establish the point where the advice kicks in, so to speak.

 

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Twisting things round again snaily.

 

How so..... again?

[Guest makapaka]

I'm just trying to establish the point where the advice kicks in, so to speak.

 

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How so..... again?

 

Your trying to take my argument into one that suggests as a male I’m advocating restricting how women dress.

 

I’m trying to give examples of where what a women wears could attract unwanted attention.

 

I don’t agree that that should happen - but we know it does.

 

I don’t think it’s wrong to say that to someone whilst still pushing the message that it’s unacceptable for men to harass women. I also don’t see that as blaming the woman.

[SnailyBoy]

Your trying to take my argument into one that suggests as a male I’m advocating restricting how women dress.

 

I’m trying to give examples of where what a women wears could attract unwanted attention.

 

I don’t agree that that should happen - but we know it does.

 

I don’t think it’s wrong to say that to someone whilst still pushing the message that it’s unacceptable for men to harass women. I also don’t see that as blaming the woman.

 

No, I'm trying to understand your argument.

 

You said a women wearing a bikini on a beach wouldn't justify advice on avoiding unwanted attention, but you didn't say why?

 

There's a lot a similarities to a bar, alcohol, large concentration of people, relaxed atmosphere.

[Guest makapaka]

No, I'm trying to understand your argument.

 

You said a women wearing a bikini on a beach wouldn't justify advice on avoiding unwanted attention, but you didn't say why?

 

There's a lot a similarities to a bar, alcohol, large concentration of people, relaxed atmosphere.

 

I’ve just explained my point above.whats unclear about it?

[Olive]

What if a one women walked through a busy bar late at night in a hoody and one walked through in a bikini top?

 

Which one would you say had the highest chance of being subjected to unwanted comments etc.

 

It's a good question, which highlights why what someone's wearing is such a red herring in these discussions.

 

Which one's most likely to get some looks and maybe a few comments? I'd say the one in the bikini.

 

Which one's most likely to get raped?

 

The one that's unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, when an attacker has the opportunity. Sure, being separated from your friends or being drunk might increase the opportunity, but what you're wearing will have precious little to do with it.

 

Pensioners get raped. Children get raped. Men get raped. It's got naff all to do with mini skirts, and I wish that archaic nonsence would be put to rest.

 

Fine, give out helpful useful advice on how to keep safe, but leave what women wear out of it.

 

I don't think gropers pay much attention to what people are wearing either, it's opportunity again. At least that's been my experience. (Not as a groper, I might add!)

[SnailyBoy]

I’ve just explained my point above.whats unclear about it?

 

You're inconsistent in your argument. Why wouldn't you give unwanted attention advice to a woman wearing a bikini on a beach?

 

I thought it was a simple question?

[Guest makapaka]

You're inconsistent in your argument. Why wouldn't you give unwanted attention advice to a woman wearing a bikini on a beach?

 

I thought it was a simple question?

 

What’s inconsistent about it - do you not think it’s different.

 

Would you take a 5 year old to the beach and would you take a 5 year old to the bee hive on west st at 11pm?

 

They’re different scenarios entirely.

[SnailyBoy]

What’s inconsistent about it - do you not think it’s different.

 

Would you take a 5 year old to the beach and would you take a 5 year old to the bee hive on west st at 11pm?

 

They’re different scenarios entirely.

 

I'm not sure why you've introduced 5 year olds into this. We were discussing bikini wearing women

 

As I said earlier beaches can have alcohol, large concentration of people, relaxed atmosphere. Not so different

 

So again, why wouldn't you give the same advice to reduce unwanted attention?

[Guest makapaka]

I'm not sure why you've introduced 5 year olds into this. We were discussing bikini wearing women

 

As I said earlier beaches can have alcohol, large concentration of people, relaxed atmosphere. Not so different

 

So again, why wouldn't you give the same advice to reduce unwanted attention?

 

It’s relevant because it highlights how different the scenarios are - no matter how much you say they’re not different.

 

They clearly are.

 

What point are you trying to make - do you want me to say women shouldn’t wear bikinis at the beach?